Running Eudora in Snow Leopard

>On 15-Dec-2009, at 03:38, garyandbeth4 wrote:
> > I am using Eudora 6.2.4 on OS 10.6.2 but the spell checker no
>longer works. I've tried everything, but no results so far. Any
>suggestions?
>
>Mail.app? ThunderBird? Entourage?

No. No. No. Or... Yuck. Yuck. Yuck.

Brian White

----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian Y. Koh" <kohstergmail.com>
To: tidbits-talkemperor.tidbits.com

> The biggest problem I've encountered with Eudora and Snow Leopard is that Text Services no longer show up in the Services menu. Since I use PGP pretty heavily,
> this was the main way that I used PGP operations. As of now I'm just using the PGP sign/encrypt/decrypt operations via the clipboard, which adds a bit of delay
> to things. Probably will look at writing up an Automator action later.

New site for automation: <http://www.macosxautomation.com/>
It addresses Services, Automator and AppleScript.

It has some basic tutorials and a small but growing collection of files, and encourages contributions.

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:47:21 -0800, Brian White wrote:
>> Mail.app? ThunderBird? Entourage?
>
> No. No. No. Or... Yuck. Yuck. Yuck.
>
> Brian White

Have you had a look at GyazMail?

<http://www.gyazsquare.com/gyazmail>

It can be configured into a damn close drop-in replacement to Eudora.


--chuck goolsbee
arlington, wa, usa
<http://chuck.goolsbee.org>

The gyazmail "about" page mentions that it imports from Unix mailbox & Apple Mail, but says nothing about importing from Eudora.

Having spent years building up Eudora archives, I feel a strong need to bring those along when I join the ranks of Eudora refugees trudging sadly across the wastelands. If gyazmail won't do it, who will (while also providing better html support)?

MailForge imports Eudora mailboxes very simply. I haven't really used it yet beyond that, so I can't speak to overall functionality.

--Steve--

On 23-Dec-2009, at 03:49, Pierce R. Butler wrote:
> The gyazmail "about" page mentions that it imports from Unix mailbox & Apple Mail, but says nothing about importing from Eudora.

Eudora uses "Unix mailbox" files.

You will probably need to convert the line endings, however.

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:49:14 -0800, Pierce R. Butler wrote:
> The gyazmail "about" page mentions that it imports from Unix mailbox &
> Apple Mail, but says nothing about importing from Eudora.

Eudora uses the UNIX "box" format. It effortlessly migrates into Gyazmail.


> Having spent years building up Eudora archives, I feel a strong need to
> bring those along when I join the ranks of Eudora refugees trudging sadly
> across the wastelands. If gyazmail won't do it, who will (while also
> providing better html support)?

Gyazmail's HTML support is excellent, though I only use it for reading and leave remote data turned off by default. I can view this stuff on a message-by-message basis.

I have had it choke on a few HTML messages, but upon examination it was an issue in the messages themselves, not the html parser in Gyazmail.

What I miss from Eudora was the VERY fast searching using simple search terms. Gyazmail's search UI is a tad clunky, and the less you give it to search on, the slower it goes. I find myself creating a new window for searches and letting it chug along in the background. Has no impact on the machine to the user, but it just isn't very fast when searching a lot of mailboxes.

Otherwise I love Gyazmail. Fast (other than searches), lightweight, great filters/rules, excellent Address Book/iCal/etc integration.

--chuck goolsbee
arlington, wa, usa
<http://chuck.goolsbee.org>

On 12/23/09 at 2:49 AM -0800, Pierce R. Butler pbutler-at-igc.org
|TidBITS/Sneak1.0 Allow| wrote:
>The gyazmail "about" page mentions that it imports from Unix mailbox &
>Apple Mail, but says nothing about importing from Eudora.
>
>Having spent years building up Eudora archives, I feel a strong need
>to bring those along when I join the ranks of Eudora refugees trudging
>sadly across the wastelands. If gyazmail won't do it, who will (while
>also providing better html support)?
>--

I've never done it, but Mail has the capability to import Eudora
mailboxes. Would importing those mailboxes to GyzaMail from Mail be
feasible?

Ed H.

I received Snow Leopard Monday week last. 3 weeks before that I
purchased a MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo w/ 2.6 GHz Intel.

I have been connecting and transferring files from my Power Book Mac
and using Eudora since setting everything up in Mac 10.6.2. Yes, I
installed Rosetta when I installed Snow.

I am wondering what all the calls to alarm are about. Everything
still works - like it did in 10.5

I transferred over the filters and they work, the dictionary with my
tropical fish (Latin) names and they still work. Attachments still go
to the folder I set up for them.

Where is the problem(s)?

Charles Harrison

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 03:49:13 -0800, Charles Harrison wrote:
> I am wondering what all the calls to alarm are about. Everything
> still works - like it did in 10.5
<snip>
> Where is the problem(s)?

There are a few crashing problems that are easily avoided by turning off sounds. Which are noted in the ReadMe.

The real problem is that Eudora 6.2.4 was last touched in October of 2006. It does not natively support the Intel CPU so runs under Rosetta, a technology that likely has a looming end-date in a coming OS X release. Eudora was way behind on integration with other OS X technologies (such as Address Book, iCal, etc) & third party add-ons such as Growl, and it will NEVER see any additional development to close this gap.

If anything that last fact is the show-stopper for me. I've been fairly content to stay back from the bleeding edge of technology once I ceased (professionally) to work in hands-on in IT support and systems administration (where you *must* be out ahead.) BUT there comes a point where technology falls off the trailing edge. Sure, it might still work OK, but it isn't keeping up with changes around it, and it will cease to function at some point in time. Eudora has in all likelihood already fallen off theta trailing edge. It may not have hit the ground, but that time is coming.

I would prefer to be in control of my user experience and CHOOSE when I make the leap to a more modern, actively developed bit of software. Email is critical to me, so the worst-case scenario is a minor system update, or a new hardware purchase due to laptop failure utterly killing the "works OK" state of Eudora. That day will come, sooner rather than later. Last year I tried several alternatives (Mail.app, Entourage, Mailsmith, Gmail, Thunderbird, and Gyazmail) with a test email account for several months and settled on Gyazmail. Mostly because of it's lightweight, POP-focus, and Eudora-like configurability. Literally within two months of my switch, my PowerBook G4 died a miserable death, and I was force-migrated to an MBP. At that point I only had to upgrade one application (Photoshop) to go 100% Intel-native as my mailer was already there.

If you are a Eudora user, and you don't want to get caught the day it truly dies (or locks you out of future hardware or software) then you can't start looking for an alternative mailer soon enough.

Regards
--chuck goolsbee
arlington, wa, usa
<http://chuck.goolsbee.org>



 

Since I upgraded to Snow Leopard this afternoon, Eudora has crashed each time I have tried to use the "Search" feature. I have been using Eudora 6.2J Ver 3.2.

Any suggestions on how to stop this from happening would be most sincerely appreciated.

At 12:19 PM -0800 12/27/2009, pak wrote:
>Since I upgraded to Snow Leopard this afternoon, Eudora has crashed
>each time I have tried to use the "Search" feature. I have been
>using Eudora 6.2J Ver 3.2.

Not sure what "6.2J ver 3.2" is all about. 6.2.4 is the most recent
release. Been running just fine under Snow Leopard here for the past
6 weeks or so...

http://www.eudora.com/download/
--

tom coradeschi
tcoraasme.org

Dear Mr. Coradeschi:

Thank you very much for your reply.

The 'J' indicates the Japanese version. I apologize, however, that "ver3.2" should have been "rev3.1", however. I live in Japan, and regularly read and write in Japanese.

I have found that, in addition to the search function, attempting to make a filter also causes Eudora to crash.

Respectfully yours,

At 1:33 PM -0800 02/04/2010, pak wrote:
>Dear Mr. Coradeschi:
>
>Thank you very much for your reply.
>
>The 'J' indicates the Japanese version. I apologize, however, that
>"ver3.2" should have been "rev3.1", however. I live in Japan, and
>regularly read and write in Japanese.
>
>I have found that, in addition to the search function, attempting to
>make a filter also causes Eudora to crash.

I am currently running Eudora (6.2.4) on my new MacBook running Snow
Leopard (10.6.2) with absolutely no problems whatsoever. I have both
searched and filtered without difficulty. Since my Eudora mail folder
has been evolving for nearly 10 years, I am both surprised and happy
about its performance.

I had been running Eudora on my PowerBook G4, simply copied my entire
Eudora folder to the MacBook, double clicked the settings file to
launch Eudora in context, and have happily continued on.

Maretta

I too have 6.2.4 Eudora running quite smoothly on MBP with 10.6.2 Snow Leopard. I was hesitant and up until 2 weeks ago stuck with Leopard on an older Powerbook. I did wrestle with the new open source Eudora and Penelope interface but had to give up, finding it hopelessly bug ridden and inadequate compared to the real thing.

The only frustration I have is actually with the newest iPhoto 7 which, unlike the iPhoto 5 on my older machine, keeps everything in a package rather than a folder. Result is that I can no longer browse my iPhoto albums and preview pics after selecting Photos in the file selection dialogue box when adding attachments. That had been cool. Now I have to keep iPhoto open and drag the pics I want to the header of the Eudora message window to attache them -- not nearly as cool :-(.

However I'm sticking with Eudora, nothing compares. I actually have been able to keep my full email archives on each successive machine for the past 15 years! And can still search them all with Eudora's amazing search facilities very quickly (unbelievably).

George

On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:56 AM, mungeo wrote:
>
> The only frustration I have is actually with the newest iPhoto 7 which, unlike the iPhoto 5 on my older machine, keeps everything in a package rather than a folder. Result is that I can no longer browse my iPhoto albums and preview pics after selecting Photos in the file selection dialogue box when adding attachments. That had been cool. Now I have to keep iPhoto open and drag the pics I want to the header of the Eudora message window to attache them -- not nearly as cool :-(.
>

You can penetrate the package structure in iPhoto through the Photos icon in the media section of the sidebar in the Open dialog. Clicking on the icon displays the same list of folders and albums that appear in the iPhoto application. Click on the appropriate entry to display thumbnails of the photos in the folder/album and select the ones you want.




Alan Forkosh Oakland, CA
aforkoshmac.com

At 13:57 -0800 UTC, on 2010-02-08, Udo Huth wrote:

> Am 06.02.2010 um 11:03 schrieb <tidbits-talkemperor.tidbits.com>:
>
> The only frustration I have is actually with the newest iPhoto 7 which,
> unlike the iPhoto 5 on my older machine, keeps everything in a package
> rather than a folder. Result is that I can no longer browse my iPhoto
> albums and preview pics after selecting Photos in the file selection
>dialogue
> box when adding attachments. That had been cool. Now I have to keep
>iPhoto
> open and drag the pics I want to the header of the Eudora message
>window
> to attache them -- not nearly as cool :-(.
>
> So, why don't you downgrade iPhoto back to iPhoto 5, when you find that
>feature useful? I didn't upgrade iPhoto 6 to 7 as I'm not fond of that
>package feature, either...

AFAIK Eudora under Leopard and up crashes when adding attachments through the
dialog -- drag & drop is the only non-crashing option. So an iPhoto downgrade
won't help the OP.


--
Sander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/>

On 8-Feb-2010, at 14:57, Udo Huth wrote:
>
>> The only frustration I have is actually with the newest iPhoto 7 which, unlike the iPhoto 5 on my older machine, keeps everything in a package rather than a folder. Result is that I can no longer browse my iPhoto albums and preview pics after selecting Photos in the file selection dialogue box when adding attachments. That had been cool. Now I have to keep iPhoto open and drag the pics I want to the header of the Eudora message window to attache them -- not nearly as cool :-(.

A package is just a folder. You can easily get to the 'real' folders and files by choosing "Show Package COntents" when the package is selected in the Finder.

You can also drag pictures from iPhoto to Mail, or chose "Email" from within iPhoto with a picture (or multiples) selected. You can also open the "Photo Browser" window in Mail, which even allows searching, viewing any albums or events, &c

> So, why don't you downgrade iPhoto back to iPhoto 5, when you find that feature useful? I didn't upgrade iPhoto 6 to 7 as I'm not fond of that package feature, either...

I am quite happily running iPhoto 8 with 10,000 pictures or so (really need to clean some out) and I have numerous ways to access any particular photograph.

Frankly, the Finder is a poor application for browsing for photographs.

At 10:03 AM -0800 02/09/2010, Sander Tekelenburg wrote:
>At 13:57 -0800 UTC, on 2010-02-08, Udo Huth wrote:
>
>> Am 06.02.2010 um 11:03 schrieb <tidbits-talkemperor.tidbits.com>:
>>
>> The only frustration I have is actually with the newest
>>iPhoto 7 which,
>> unlike the iPhoto 5 on my older machine, keeps everything in a package
>> rather than a folder. Result is that I can no longer browse my iPhoto
>> albums and preview pics after selecting Photos in the file selection
>>dialogue
>> box when adding attachments. That had been cool. Now I have to keep
>>iPhoto
>> open and drag the pics I want to the header of the Eudora message
>>window
>> to attache them -- not nearly as cool :-(.
>>
>> So, why don't you downgrade iPhoto back to iPhoto 5, when you find that
>>feature useful? I didn't upgrade iPhoto 6 to 7 as I'm not fond of that
>>package feature, either...
>
>AFAIK Eudora under Leopard and up crashes when adding attachments through the
>dialog -- drag & drop is the only non-crashing option. So an iPhoto downgrade
>won't help the OP.

Nah. I cmd-H to add attachments to Eudora every day under Snow
Leopard. I understand that it was a problem under Leopard, but I
never ran 10.5, so can't say for sure...
--

tom coradeschi
tcoraskylands.ibmwr.org