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[McCabe, Steve]Steve McCabe (apparently) - 12:54am Jul 9, 2009 PST
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Hi, folks

I'm looking for recommendations, suggestions and sundry Skypular
sagacity from the assembled. We're in the process of migrating a lot
of our outgoing phone calls to SkypeOut, and we'd like to use, if
possible, a stand-alone Skype "phone." Ideally, what we'd like is
something that doesn't have to be plugged directly into a computer
(although that's not a deal-breaker, we would prefer that), and we'd
also prefer cordless (again, not sine qua non). Failing that, if a
computer is required, it'll need to be a Mac-compatible device
(because, let's face it, one simply does not do Windows).

Does anyone have any recommendations, suggestions or advice?

Thanks
Steve


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unixengineer (apparently) - Jul 10, 2009 12:57 am (#9 Total: 40)  

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>
>> sagacity from the assembled. We're in the process of migrating a lot
>> of our outgoing phone calls to SkypeOut, and we'd like to use, if
>> possible, a stand-alone Skype "phone."
>>
>>> There is no way you can use skype without a computer.
>
> At home, and sometimes at work, I use Linksys and Netgear Skype phones. They
> come with a base unit that needs to be attached to the LAN (and in turn
> connected to the net). You can associate 3-4 handsets to the base unit. Then,
> it works like a normal phone, shows you the contact list, and you can make
> skype or skypeout calls. (These handsets even have provision to connect a
> hands-free cable)
>
> Linksys, Netgear also have Wifi Skype phones, which connect online directly
> without a base unit. But they don't have good quality and run out of battery
> soon.
>
> GE also makes standalone skype phones.
>

The weird part is, all these units used to sell for around US$120 a year
back (I have bought Belkin Wifi, Linksys DECT+Skype, Netgear (2) Dect+Skype,
and Linksys Wifi Skype phones for around $100-$120 in 2008). Now, they seem
to cost upwards of $250. Since Skype has become popular, I think they jacked
up the price.
(oh .. I forgot to mention.. All the linksys/GE/Netgear base units can also
connect to your standard phone line .. So you use it for both Skypeout and
landline out)

- Ram



ron (apparently) - Jul 10, 2009 12:57 am (#10 Total: 40)  

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On 09Jul2009, at 01:54, Steve McCabe wrote:

> We're in the process of migrating a lot
> of our outgoing phone calls to SkypeOut, and we'd like to use, if
> possible, a stand-alone Skype "phone."

Any particular reason for using Skype? If you're talking more than a
few users, why not go with a standard protocol such as SIP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol

You'd get a broad choice of wired or wireless stand-alone handsets as
well as soft phone clients for Windows, Linux, MacOS, iPhone,
Blackberry, Windows Mobile, Palm OS, and probably Android. And if you
want a new career, you can create your own over-featured PBX with
asterisk:

http://www.asterisk.org/

You have a choice of many vendors for DID (incoming) and termination
(outgoing) calls, and rates are generally competitive with Skype
(especially for volume uses), though pricing is difficult to compare.

https://www.link2voip.com/rates.php

It's certainly geekier, rather like Linux vs. Windows in terms of
knowledge needed to get started, but it gets you away from a single-
vendor proprietary protocol.

--Ron

John C. Welch (apparently) - Jul 11, 2009 1:16 am (#11 Total: 40)  

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On 7/10/09 4:57 AM, "Ron Risley" <ronrisley.net> wrote:

> It's certainly geekier, rather like Linux vs. Windows in terms of
> knowledge needed to get started, but it gets you away from a single-
> vendor proprietary protocol.

That would be why. Skype has issues, gobs of them, but in general, it just
works. No setup time, no geekiness.

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theoriginalmeck (apparently) - Jul 11, 2009 1:16 am (#12 Total: 40)  

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> From: Steve McCabe <bigstevestevemccabe.net>
> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:54:36 -0700
> Hi, folks
>
> I'm looking for recommendations, suggestions and sundry Skypular
> sagacity from the assembled. We're in the process of migrating a lot
> of our outgoing phone calls to SkypeOut, and we'd like to use, if
> possible, a stand-alone Skype "phone." Ideally, what we'd like is
> something that doesn't have to be plugged directly into a computer
> (although that's not a deal-breaker, we would prefer that), and we'd
> also prefer cordless (again, not sine qua non). Failing that, if a
> computer is required, it'll need to be a Mac-compatible device
> (because, let's face it, one simply does not do Windows).
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations, suggestions or advice?

We've had this brand for about a year-and-a-half.
<http://www.amazon.com/Philips-VOIP841-PC-Free-Wireless-Phone/dp/B000ND75FW/
>

I ordered it from amazon.com along with the second handset and we use it
daily for short "Honey, I'm on my way home" calls. If I'm in a wifi spot
then I can call home from my iPhone and the connection is free. Otherwise,
the Skype-in charge is pretty nominal.

Quality is fine and clear. I can't compare it to the quality of a home line
because I haven't had one for years. Adding contacts is easier from the
computer and they appear on the phone through the service.

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James Duffey - Jul 11, 2009 1:16 am (#13 Total: 40)  

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"And MAC works with the phone aspects but the video is next to impossible to get towork at least on Tiger. I bought the camera from Apple , theheadsets from apple. Which tells you there I spent 4 times more thanif I had bought a windows base computer for about the same price. If you have sucess please share."

Don - I am not sure what your problem is, but Skype works fine with both video and audio on my MacBook Pro (intel + Leopard), my wife's Macbook (intel = Leopard)), my daughter's Macbooks (both G4 and intel versions, Tiger and Leopard) and an old iMac (G4 and Leopard). The iMac is a 700 MHz model, so the video can be jerky at times, but it does work. - Duffey

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I use a the Belkin/SMC WiFi Skype phone. Wherever there is a WiFi spot one can use it (with password, if required). I've used it successfully for several years now and it works well for me. I am a regular international traveller; this phone and Skype have saved me tons of money in toll calls.

Skype also works well on my MacBook, Power Book, iMac. Video needs broadband, of course.

SkypeIN (calls from landlines) and SkypeOUT (calls to landlines) also work flawlessly for me.

Tip for heavy users: if you register your SkypeIN/OUT account in a country with no tax shenanigans (VAT, GST and others) then Skype won't charge you VAT/GST/Sales.... For any "internationalists" out there with access to a credit card account in a non-tax-added country this will be quite a saving. VAT/GST in some Euro-Zone countries is now near 20%. I live in New Zealand, Germany, Hong Kong and Canada. My SkypeIN/OUT are paid automatically via my Hong Kong credit card. No tax :-)

-W

tidbits15 (apparently) - Jul 11, 2009 1:16 am (#15 Total: 40)  

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On Jul 10, 2009, at 4:57 AM, Fredrik Jonsson wrote:

> Donald Bryant 09-07-09 04.42 -0700 wrote:
>
>> There is no way you can use skype without a computer.
>
> There are a number of Skype phones that you can connect directly your
> broadband router.

A friend of mine from out of town was visiting. He needed to
make some phone calls and asked me for the password to connect
to my wi-fi. Tapped away at what looked like a normal cell
phone for a few moments and was skype-out-calling away. He
says he uses that thing all the time and it's surprising how
frequently he finds open wi-fi networks to use.

No computer necessary. Just the phone.

> I have not used them but you find som on http://shop.skype.com/

I'm not sure, but I think he was using this one:
<http://shop.skype.com/phones/netgear-wifi-phone.html>

>> And MAC works
>> with the phone aspects but the video is next to impossible to get to
>> work at least on Tiger.

"Mac".

My experience is that the Mac Skype client works just fine and,
in fact, more reliably than iChat does. Meaning that there are
times when the network connections seem just a little too slow
or flaky for iChat video chatting to work, but Skype will. On
the other hand, when it does work, I find that iChat has the
superior quality - video and sound is cleaner.

And naturally, we use Skype to talk to those friends and family
who haven't got Macs. It'd sure make all our lives easier if
they would, but that's a different and uphill battle.

As far as the wired Skype phones - which you plug into your
USB port and just use as phones (ie. pick up and dial) as
opposed to plugging in a headset and dialing on the computer
using the Skype computer program - it appears that the ones
on the Skype site all require Windows to work.

So unless you are going to use a wi-fi skype phone (which are
fairly expensive > $100 -- but probably very very convenient),
you are stuck using wired headset, not a full wired skypephone
on your Mac.

HTH


jonglass (apparently) - Jul 12, 2009 4:20 am (#16 Total: 40)  

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On Jul 11, 2009, at 11:16 AM, wieland00 wrote:

> For any "internationalists" out there with access to a credit card
> account in a non-tax-added country this will be quite a saving. VAT/
> GST in some Euro-Zone countries is now near 20%.


22% in Poland. But since my account in in the States--FL, to be exact,
I get a much lower tax--if any. I don't recall them mentioning tax on
my credit update pages.

one other reason to use Skype, btw, is that you can talk to other
Skype users free. It is difficult enough getting some people onto
Skype. I couldn't imagine convincing them to go with some no-name SIP
service. Also, I'm about to add a second Skype-In number local to me
in Krakow, and dump our landline. Life is beautiful. ;-)

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kreme (apparently) - Jul 12, 2009 4:20 am (#17 Total: 40)  

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On 11-Jul-2009, at 03:16, William Smith wrote:
> Quality is fine and clear. I can't compare it to the quality of a
> home line
> because I haven't had one for years. Adding contacts is easier from
> the
> computer and they appear on the phone through the service.


SKype -> Skype voice quality is generally much better than POTS (twice
the frequency range, IIRC). If you are going Skype-In or Skype-Out
then you are restricted to the bandwidth of the POTS line and the
quality is the same.

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On 11Jul2009, at 02:16, John C. Welch wrote:

> On 7/10/09 4:57 AM, "Ron Risley" <ronrisley.net> wrote:
>
>> It's certainly geekier, rather like Linux vs. Windows in terms of
>> knowledge needed to get started, but it gets you away from a single-
>> vendor proprietary protocol.
>
> That would be why. Skype has issues, gobs of them, but in general,
> it just
> works. No setup time, no geekiness.

Oh, yes. My post was silly. I was (1) thinking Steve was talking about
enterprise use, not individual/family use and (2) forgetting just how,
uh, educational my early experiences with SIP were.

--Ron

John C. Welch (apparently) - Jul 12, 2009 11:18 am (#19 Total: 40)  

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On 7/12/09 8:20 AM, "LuKreme" <kremelskreme.com> wrote:

>> Quality is fine and clear. I can't compare it to the quality of a
>> home line
>> because I haven't had one for years. Adding contacts is easier from
>> the
>> computer and they appear on the phone through the service.
>
>
> SKype -> Skype voice quality is generally much better than POTS (twice
> the frequency range, IIRC). If you are going Skype-In or Skype-Out
> then you are restricted to the bandwidth of the POTS line and the
> quality is the same.

When skype works, then maybe. Skype reliability however does not even BEGIN
to approach POTS, and that's just with two people talking. Heaven help you
on a conference call. Dropouts, static, all kinds of stuff. And skypes
presence detection is a joke.


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LALicata (apparently) - Jul 13, 2009 12:07 pm (#20 Total: 40)  

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I believe that if you want to use Skype "outside" (while roaming) at
a free wifi hot spot, many require that you log in via a web browser
in order to access the net. For that, you need a skype phone with an
internet browser built in.

I have yet to find one of those except for the iPhone/iTouch.

Does anyone know of another model? I will be living on a boat here
shortly and will have a skype #, but need one of these type of phones
to allow me to get a call while having coffee at the coffee shop.

Lee

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On 12-Jul-2009, at 13:18, John C. Welch wrote:
> On 7/12/09 8:20 AM, "LuKreme" <kremelskreme.com> wrote:
> Quality is fine and clear. I can't compare it to the quality of a
>>> home line
>>> because I haven't had one for years. Adding contacts is easier from
>>> the
>>> computer and they appear on the phone through the service.
>>
>> SKype -> Skype voice quality is generally much better than POTS
>> (twice
>> the frequency range, IIRC). If you are going Skype-In or Skype-Out
>> then you are restricted to the bandwidth of the POTS line and the
>> quality is the same.
>
> When skype works, then maybe. Skype reliability however does not
> even BEGIN
> to approach POTS, and that's just with two people talking. Heaven
> help you
> on a conference call. Dropouts, static, all kinds of stuff. And skypes
> presence detection is a joke.

Most people do not need POTS level of reliability. If they did, no one
would have mobiles. Skype is as reliable as my mobile phones, both in
terms of failed calls and dropped calls. I've held Skype calls
(accidentally) for over 8 hours. In fact, just this weekend I went to
bed after talking to a friend, neither of us hung up. picked up the
headset the next morning and could hear him typing.


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On Jul 13, 2009, at 10:07 PM, LA Licata wrote:

> I have yet to find one of those except for the iPhone/iTouch.
>
> Does anyone know of another model? I will be living on a boat here
> shortly and will have a skype #, but need one of these type of phones
> to allow me to get a call while having coffee at the coffee shop.


There are also the Nokia Internet tablets--the N800 and N810. The N800
is keyboard-less, and the N810 has a slide-out keyboard.

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Adam Engst (apparently) - Jul 14, 2009 12:50 am (#23 Total: 40)  

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On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM, LuKreme<kremelskreme.com> wrote:
> Most people do not need POTS level of reliability. If they did, no one
> would have mobiles.

This is the main lesson of the Internet. "Good enough" is all that's
necessary (see MP3, streaming video, most news Web sites, etc). Drives
me nuts sometimes, but there it is.

cheers... -Adam

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On 7/13/09 4:07 PM, "LuKreme" <kremelskreme.com> wrote:

>> When skype works, then maybe. Skype reliability however does not
>> even BEGIN
>> to approach POTS, and that's just with two people talking. Heaven
>> help you
>> on a conference call. Dropouts, static, all kinds of stuff. And skypes
>> presence detection is a joke.
>
> Most people do not need POTS level of reliability. If they did, no one
> would have mobiles. Skype is as reliable as my mobile phones, both in
> terms of failed calls and dropped calls. I've held Skype calls
> (accidentally) for over 8 hours. In fact, just this weekend I went to
> bed after talking to a friend, neither of us hung up. picked up the
> headset the next morning and could hear him typing.

Reliability aside, Skype still can't touch POTS for ease of use, or any
other metric other than price.

Here's the POTS user guide:

1) Hit talk on phone, or, if no talk button, listen for a steady tone. If
you hear that, enter the number you have for the person you want to talk to.

OR

2) Enter the number you have for the person you want to talk to. Push "talk"
or whatever button on your phone serves that function.

Congratulations, you've placed a call. That's going to work for over 90% of
making a call. Over 90% of your user manual for receiving calls has the
same number of steps.

Cell phones are only slightly more complicated, in that you have to check
signal strength on the phone. Otherwise, cell phones work the same.

Skype? BAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. It's the EASIEST of the VOIP
bunch, and you can't go from zero to reliable calls in 1 step on a bet. But
hey, you don't expect skype to be reliable, it just has to be free or
stupidly cheap.

Again, I ONLY need skype to work 1 day a week for < two hours a day. In over
4 months, it has never, not once, ever managed to do this, and honestly, I
have to spend enough time dinking around with routers and ports and all that
stupidity in my "real" job. I'm not going to even begin to spend that much
time with poor quality software, and it's not like I'm seeing a lot of
updates from them either.

POTS just works. Skype? Not even in the same universe.

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On 14-Jul-2009, at 02:50, John C. Welch wrote:
> Here's the POTS user guide:

0) Make arrangements with Baby-Bell to get phone service. Sometimes
this involves waiting several days for someone to come out to your
house/apartment. You need to be there when they show up. Often you
don't have to be there, but it will still take 2-3 days (or sometimes,
like with my step-mom, seven weeks) before phone service is turned on.
If you're a business, it can take even longer.

0.1) Pay anywhere from $15 - $100 a month for service, per line. Maybe
more if you call people more than a few miles from your house. You are
not allowed to shop around for a better option either. You get to dal
with one company at one price and you can only get the features they
offer, and they can charge you anything they want for anything beyond
pulse-dial dial-tone.

0.2) Make arrangements for a long-distance carrier so you can make
calls outside of your own state. Sign up for some plan, usually
involving periodic charges, so that you don't get charged obscene
rates for calling out of state. Or do what most people do, don't get
LD at all on your POTS line and use your mobile instead.

> 1) Hit talk on phone, or, if no talk button, listen for a steady
> tone. If
> you hear that, enter the number you have for the person you want to
> talk to.

Enter 7 digits if the person is living very close to you, enter 10
digits if the person is a little further away, but close enough for
the call to be free. Enter 8 digits if the person is in the same
general area, but far enough away that the phone company is allowed to
charge you for the call. If they are in a different area code AND the
phone company will charge you, then enter 11 digits. If the person you
want to reach is at work, enter a different sequence of numbers
(again, 7, 8, 10, or 11 digits depending on your location, their
location, and whether or not the phone company is allowed to charge
you for the call). Be prepared to have at least three numbers for most
people, and maybe as many as six.

My Skype account is wherever I am. If I am sitting on my laptop at the
coffee shop, the same number will reach me. If I am on-site somewhere,
same number. If I am visiting my in-laws... well, I'm not likely to
have Skype up on my iPhone or be using my laptop while I'm there, but
if I am on my laptop then the same number will reach me.

> Skype? BAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. It's the EASIEST of
> the VOIP
> bunch, and you can't go from zero to reliable calls in 1 step on a
> bet. But
> hey, you don't expect skype to be reliable, it just has to be free or
> stupidly cheap.

1) download skype installer and run it.

2) setup account or enter existing account info

You can be making calls in 5 minutes, a timeframe POTS can barely come
within three orders of magnitude of matching. Once Skype is setup,
it's very much like POTS. Activate Skype, punch in 10 numbers. Always
10. Or, select the name of a contact from your address book, or from
your Skype contacts.

> Again, I ONLY need skype to work 1 day a week for < two hours a day.
> In over
> 4 months, it has never, not once, ever managed to do this

Your experience is by no means the norm. I, and many other people, use
Skype everyday (or practically) and use it for many hours at a time.
The Mac client does have a habit of locking up randomly (especially
recently) on incoming calls or incoming messages, but I can still
pickup my cordless and make a call. And it's crashing one a week or
so, not every day or multiple times a day. All domestic calls are
free, I get instant messaging and voicemail and a phone number that
anyone on POTS can reach. I can even transfer files. All this for less
per month than the TAXES on a POTS line.

> POTS just works.

Unless you have, say DLS, where all of a sudden you need to worry
about the 'ringer equivalency load' of each device on your line and
install filters at all your phone jacks. Not to mention that you can
easily spend $0.25 a MINUTE for making an in-state long distance call,
and you have to pay something for every single call you make that is
more than a few miles away from you.

Yes, POTS does have one huge advantage, although most people don't
even know about it anymore: If you have an old telephone that doesn't
have a power-plug, then POTS works when there is no power. However,
since most people barely remember that phones didn't use to need a
power cord, this is pretty much moot.

And yes, since POTS doesn't need an Internet connection you are more
likely to not be able to make a call with Skype simply because the
underlying connection is less reliable. A savings of 90% or more on
the monthly phone bill is worth a lot more inconvenience than is
actually inflicted by Skype, however.

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Be careful when buying from the Skype shop online, at least in Europe. They had headsets advertised as suitable for Mac, but were actually just for PCs.

I use a 3 Skype mobile phone. Costs just £12 a month with 100 minutes inclusive. I do not use it much, last month only 12 minutes.

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On 7/15/09 6:25 AM, "LuKreme" <kremelskreme.com> wrote:

>> Here's the POTS user guide:
>
> 0) Make arrangements with Baby-Bell to get phone service. Sometimes
> this involves waiting several days for someone to come out to your
> house/apartment. You need to be there when they show up. Often you
> don't have to be there, but it will still take 2-3 days (or sometimes,
> like with my step-mom, seven weeks) before phone service is turned on.
> If you're a business, it can take even longer.

Oh lord, here we go. But, since you insist, I can play too.


Figure out which isp will deign to come out to your house and hook you up to
the internet. Wish you had actual choice in either dsl or cable, since both
are going to bend you over.

You'll need to be there when they show up. When will that be? SOMETIME in a
4-8 hour period on a day that is about as reliable as a puppy's memory. If
you're a business, it will take longer, and it will cost you 2-3x as month.

That's just for land-line based service. If you want to go cell only, you
have to figure out which company with service in your area will allow you to
use tethering, or pay $30 to $100 a month *per device* on at least a two
year contract with rather draconian termination fees. Even when you're
showing signal, if the nearest towers are overloaded, you won't get calls or
voicemail. But you still have to pay.

>
> 0.1) Pay anywhere from $15 - $100 a month for service, per line. Maybe
> more if you call people more than a few miles from your house. You are
> not allowed to shop around for a better option either. You get to dal
> with one company at one price and you can only get the features they
> offer, and they can charge you anything they want for anything beyond
> pulse-dial dial-tone.

Pay anywhere from $30-$100 a month and be told that even though DSL
advertises up to 6MB down, you can't actually get that. Discover that
everything costs extra, and if the power is out for more than a few hours,
discover your VOIP doesn't work, (unless you pay for a generator. There's a
few hundred bucks too, plus the charge for a licensed electrician to hook it
to your house power. Live in an apartment? Oh, sorry, no generator for you),
and as it turns out, even removable cell batteries aren't foolproof. But
that's okay, you don't mind sitting in the dark, or having to drive to
somewhere outside of the blackout that will let you charge up so you can
call the power company.

Meanwhile, that neighbor who's so stupid as to pay for pots? He's got a $9
radio shack phone, and is merrily making calls, thanks to the stupidity of
power over the phone line. Maybe he'll forget that you laughed at him for
getting POTS and let you borrow his phone.

>
> 0.2) Make arrangements for a long-distance carrier so you can make
> calls outside of your own state. Sign up for some plan, usually
> involving periodic charges, so that you don't get charged obscene
> rates for calling out of state. Or do what most people do, don't get
> LD at all on your POTS line and use your mobile instead.

Oops...did you call outside of what your cell plan lets you call? Did you
forget Canada is still international? Sucks to be you.

>
>> 1) Hit talk on phone, or, if no talk button, listen for a steady
>> tone. If
>> you hear that, enter the number you have for the person you want to
>> talk to.
>
> Enter 7 digits if the person is living very close to you, enter 10
> digits if the person is a little further away, but close enough for
> the call to be free. Enter 8 digits if the person is in the same
> general area, but far enough away that the phone company is allowed to
> charge you for the call. If they are in a different area code AND the
> phone company will charge you, then enter 11 digits. If the person you
> want to reach is at work, enter a different sequence of numbers
> (again, 7, 8, 10, or 11 digits depending on your location, their
> location, and whether or not the phone company is allowed to charge
> you for the call). Be prepared to have at least three numbers for most
> people, and maybe as many as six.

If only, only, only there were a way to record these numbers. If only the
POTS companies didn't offer unlimited domestic long distance.

Oh wait, there is, and they do.

>
> My Skype account is wherever I am. If I am sitting on my laptop at the
> coffee shop, the same number will reach me. If I am on-site somewhere,
> same number. If I am visiting my in-laws... well, I'm not likely to
> have Skype up on my iPhone or be using my laptop while I'm there, but
> if I am on my laptop then the same number will reach me.

Oh, sorry, was your wireless connection a bit squiffy? You don't mind
static. Was skype having a bad day or a router somewhere misconfigured? You
didn't really need to talk anyway.

>
>> Skype? BAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. It's the EASIEST of
>> the VOIP
>> bunch, and you can't go from zero to reliable calls in 1 step on a
>> bet. But
>> hey, you don't expect skype to be reliable, it just has to be free or
>> stupidly cheap.
>
> 1) download skype installer and run it.
>
> 2) setup account or enter existing account info
>
> You can be making calls in 5 minutes, a timeframe POTS can barely come
> within three orders of magnitude of matching. Once Skype is setup,
> it's very much like POTS. Activate Skype, punch in 10 numbers. Always
> 10. Or, select the name of a contact from your address book, or from
> your Skype contacts.

As long as you've correctly configured your router

And your computer isn't doing other things besides waiting for you to make a
skype call

And you have a good set of headsets

And the person on the other end, unless they've wised up and seen home VOIP
like Skype for the garbage it is, and gotten a real phone line, has THEIR
router correctly configured.

Then you MAY get a call sans static and echo.

Or not. Who knows? That's the joy of Skype! It's FREE and you GET WHAT YOU
PAY FOR. So what if the quality of talking to someone a mile away is worse
than a 1950s transatlantic call. You don't' care, it's CLOUD!


>
>> Again, I ONLY need skype to work 1 day a week for < two hours a day.
>> In over
>> 4 months, it has never, not once, ever managed to do this
>
> Your experience is by no means the norm. I, and many other people, use
> Skype everyday (or practically) and use it for many hours at a time.
> The Mac client does have a habit of locking up randomly (especially
> recently) on incoming calls or incoming messages, but I can still
> pickup my cordless and make a call.

BAAAHAHAHAAH...so what if the client locks up. It's CLOUD and VOIP and FREE!
You can't expect RELIABILITY or QUALITY! They haven't worked that magic yet!

> And it's crashing one a week or
> so, not every day or multiple times a day. All domestic calls are
> free, I get instant messaging and voicemail and a phone number that
> anyone on POTS can reach. I can even transfer files. All this for less
> per month than the TAXES on a POTS line.

I don't really care what anyone else's experience is. If Skype can't work
correctly when I need it to work, without endless dinking around and hopping
in a circle, and I just "have to accept" that it will randomly crash and the
quality will suck, then it's garbage. Someone with a clue tell me when Skype
actually cares about quality of software and service.

>
>> POTS just works.
>
> Unless you have, say DLS, where all of a sudden you need to worry
> about the 'ringer equivalency load' of each device on your line and
> install filters at all your phone jacks. Not to mention that you can
> easily spend $0.25 a MINUTE for making an in-state long distance call,
> and you have to pay something for every single call you make that is
> more than a few miles away from you.

You need to pick the right plan, just like you do with a cell phone. All my
domestic long distance is unlimited, and has been since oh, the late 90s.

>
> Yes, POTS does have one huge advantage, although most people don't
> even know about it anymore: If you have an old telephone that doesn't
> have a power-plug, then POTS works when there is no power. However,
> since most people barely remember that phones didn't use to need a
> power cord, this is pretty much moot.

Sorry, but that's still a legitimate benefit, and if you live somewhere that
has a lot of storms, you're rather aware of it, as it lets you make calls
when all your VOIPCLOUDFREE friends are wondering if they can get to where
there's power.

Oh, did we forget to mention that cell coverage isn't perfect? Yeah. It's
not. Oops.

>
> And yes, since POTS doesn't need an Internet connection you are more
> likely to not be able to make a call with Skype simply because the
> underlying connection is less reliable. A savings of 90% or more on
> the monthly phone bill is worth a lot more inconvenience than is
> actually inflicted by Skype, however.

If I can't reliably and clearly talk when I want for as long as I want,
without worrying about router configs on both ends, will the software crash
THIS TIME, then Skype doesn't actually save me anything. I pay for
reliability. I get service for that money. What I get with Skype are
unending excuses and justifications from the fanboys and no real
improvements from the company. When Skype works minute after minute after
hour after day after year, with no excuses and justifications, then I'll
think of it as something besides yet another distraction from the
magically-thinking gadget freaks. I need my services to work reliably and
correctly. Skype as of yet is incapable of doing that.

In the 36 years that I've been old enough to realize what the phone was, the
number of times it's been down, as in non-functional, is probably less than
ten. And one of those was due to the last Cat 5 hurricane to hit the US. The
fact that I am surprised when POTS goes down shows how unusual it is. And,
the fact that it offers me, when all else fails, service over a $9 phone in
a complete blackout, is actually rather comforting.

But your turn. Tell me again why reliability and quality don't count because
Skype is cool, free, and CLOUD.

--
John C. Welch

franconi (apparently) - Jul 15, 2009 2:12 pm (#28 Total: 40)  

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