Problems with Eudora on OS X 10.5 (Leopard)?

Chris Devers

And I'm sure it was great, back in the day.

But that day has passed :-)

Yes, but some of us would like to keep it running long enough to find a suitable replacement.

It appears that the alternatives are still not there yet.

Nothing like the failure of the application that you depend on most to disrupt your life.

Ugh

At 12:56 AM -0700 8/27/08, D.B. wrote:

>Barring the 'echo chamber'-like sound of Eudora in the tidbits realm... ;)
>
>Can someone tell me precisely WHAT version of Eudora does work and
>with what plugins installed on a stock installation of Leopard
>10.5.4 on an 8-core Mac running 10.5.4?
>

D.B.:

I'm running Eudora 6.2.4 on an 8-core MacPro early 2008 2 x 2.8GHz
quad, 4GB RAM. OS X 10.5.4.

Plugins--Esoteric settings, Eudora Icons 6.0, Rot 13 carbon (never
use that anymore), SpamHeaders OS X, SpamWatch OSX, StaticJunkDB.txt,
UPPERlower Text OS X are listed in get info but I also have in Eudora
Folder stuff like Kill X-Sender and a boat load of tables. Stashed in
~/Library/Application Support/Eudora are BLAH-and-Others and
textsoap_cfmEudora from TextSoap 5.

Don't have any IMAP accounts and I have at least 27 personalities
(some outdated), a ton of filters and my Eudora Folder weighs in at
7.1GB.

Seems to work fine except when servers are misbehaving or Internet is
flaky. (Thank you TimeWarner cable for thos frequent DHCP lease
renewals that take multiple tries to connect.)


>I have used Eudora for ages. I know what it can and can't do.
>
>•It can do mail.
>
>•It can quickly go through my email and delete all duplicate
>messages. It can do this in about 10 seconds with >150,000 messages
>in total. Mail.app with an applescript takes about an hour to go
>through 12000.
>
>Eudora has also acquired this most annoying new talent of dying
>whenever it tries to send mail or to open new windows as a
>consequence of a filter. I do not have any sounds enabled. I have
>tried various iterations of Eudora 6.x. All to no avail. If I want
>to use it without it crashing, I have to revert to Tiger.
>

That stuff works fine here. Just some delays on mail delivery that
opening task progress usually fixes. Hogs CPU at times.


>Odysseus is not yet ready for prime time. (yes, I've paid for it,
>but it still isn't near ready as of today).
>
>Mail.app requires an inordinate amount of workarounds to get things
>reasonable (multiple source accounts requires an unobvious use of
>'email accounts' in the setup pane as a place for a sequential entry
>of email addresses to be used, separated by a comma. How utterly
>obvious ;) (Shall I even mention Mail.app's amazing talent for
>deciding that a mailbox is empty even though it isn't, the finder
>says it isn't, its emlx files are still in the appropriate
>directory.... and it is still 'empty'?!)
>
>So how do I get Eudora to work then?
>
>[Maybe a VMWare install of Tiger on this mac and Eudora running in
>its own little virtual machine? ;) ]

No major problems here.

--Jim

I just wanted to add that while having the progress window open tends to cause a hang, not having it open does not prevent a hang -- sometimes receiving an attachment or other actions can cause a hang. I'm frusrated and might reinstall 10.5.2... -- Heeday

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:18 AM, heeday <heedaymac.com> wrote:
> I just wanted to add that while having the progress window open tends to cause a hang, not having it open does not prevent a hang -- sometimes receiving an attachment or other actions can cause a hang. I'm frusrated and might reinstall 10.5.2... -- Heeday

You shouldn't go back to 10.5.2. 10.5.2 equals no more security fixes
(and lots needed that you won't get).

I was about to downgrade to 10.5.2 -- frankly, I would choose to have my phone line working than worry about an exotic possibility of being wiretapped :-)

Then I found that Mac OS X 10.5.5 update was out. Thinking I had nothing to lose, I made a backup of both Eudora and Entourage data, repaired permissions using Disk Utility and took the dive.

The Software Update version of 10.5.5 did not work (which I maybe should be glad about), complaining that the installer package was in the Trash. Other applicable updates were applied and some permissions were repaired after each restart.

So I downloaded the 600MB+ Combo update and applied it. The update installed without incident and after a restart, an "OK" recognition of something related to Boot Caches, another restart and repairing of permissions, life seems to be good again, at least for the past 5 hours or so. I even have the Progress Window open in Eudora!

With it open, each mail check does cause 186 lines of "_NSautoreleaseNoPool()" messages in the System Log, but that does not seem to choke the System.

I hope this peace continues and I'm very glad to have been able to regain the productivity I've enjoyed with the tools I am familiar with!

Cheers, -- Heeday

Yep ... same thing here on a 3 GHz iMac running 10.5.5. Eudora's been fine on 10.4.11 on a PPC powerbook. And previously fine on all my PPC macs and clones. But on the iMac the same errors as you quote, and a complete lock up which corrupted the mailboxes that were open at the time.

For the time being I've migrated to mail.app while I set up a complete mail server ... getmail / DSpam / maildrop / dovecot ... using maildir ... and everything here will now use IMAP to access the same mail on the server.