Problems with Eudora on OS X 10.5 (Leopard)?

Barring the 'echo chamber'-like sound of Eudora in the tidbits realm... ;)

Can someone tell me precisely WHAT version of Eudora does work and with what plugins installed on a stock installation of Leopard 10.5.4 on an 8-core Mac running 10.5.4?

I have used Eudora for ages. I know what it can and can't do.

•It can do mail.

•It can quickly go through my email and delete all duplicate messages. It can do this in about 10 seconds with >150,000 messages in total. Mail.app with an applescript takes about an hour to go through 12000.

Eudora has also acquired this most annoying new talent of dying whenever it tries to send mail or to open new windows as a consequence of a filter. I do not have any sounds enabled. I have tried various iterations of Eudora 6.x. All to no avail. If I want to use it without it crashing, I have to revert to Tiger.

Odysseus is not yet ready for prime time. (yes, I've paid for it, but it still isn't near ready as of today).

Mail.app requires an inordinate amount of workarounds to get things reasonable (multiple source accounts requires an unobvious use of 'email accounts' in the setup pane as a place for a sequential entry of email addresses to be used, separated by a comma. How utterly obvious ;) (Shall I even mention Mail.app's amazing talent for deciding that a mailbox is empty even though it isn't, the finder says it isn't, its emlx files are still in the appropriate directory.... and it is still 'empty'?!)

So how do I get Eudora to work then?

[Maybe a VMWare install of Tiger on this mac and Eudora running in its own little virtual machine? ;) ]

On 27-Aug-2008, at 01:56, D.B. wrote:
> Barring the 'echo chamber'-like sound of Eudora in the tidbits
> realm... ;)
>
> Can someone tell me precisely WHAT version of Eudora does work and
> with what plugins installed on a stock installation of Leopard
> 10.5.4 on an 8-core Mac running 10.5.4?

5.1.1 works if you have no need for IMAP at all. IMAP is there, but
simply does not work reliably enough for anyone to run it. Anything
from 5.1.1 up to the last version (6.2.4) will run on Leopard. How
well is a question only you can answer.

6.2.4 Eudora
<http://www.eudora.com/download/>

Older installs
<http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/2350hq.html>

> So how do I get Eudora to work then?

What we've been saying is that you don't. You WILL have issues with
Eudora on Leopard. Some people think these issues are worth dealing
with, most do not.

I am also a long time Eudora user from 1994. My Mail folder has over 800 items, and weighs in at 1.4GB. And I like Eudora! :-) Mine is a commercial version (6J Jr6), but the mailboxes started at version 1.3.7 or something like that.

Putting the discussion of what is new and neat aside, I'm also troubled with the fact that a "mere" .2 to .4 System upgrade renders a useful application useless. (and I thought I was careful enough to avoid 10.5.3)

What I've found so far to prevent Eudora from hanging in Mac OS X 10.5.4 (on top of not using Eudora sounds and using old style .toc files -- the latter may not matter, but that's how I have been using it): - Hide the progress window and keep it closed! (uncheck "show progress window when checking mail in background," or some setting that is similar)

I think the original poster's "_NSAutoreleaseNoPool()" errors flood the system when the progress window is open and Eudora goes to check/send/receive e-mail (it appears over 350 to 700 times within 2 or 3 seconds in the System Log). You can confirm this by having both the console system log open at the same time that Eudora is still running with the progress window open.

I've seen others say that the .4 upgrade affects all Rosetta apps accessing the network. I think this is true, as I've had Entourage X suffer as well. BTW, I have decided to use Entourage X, as 2004 does not support tunneling outside via a proxy server from within an Intranet -- If someone can show me how to use 2004 for this, please do so!(see similar posts from others, but I haven't seen a thread/discussion with a happy ending): http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.mac.office.entourage/msg/352551a3228c04ff

http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?t=42855

http://www.eggheadcafe.com/forumarchives/macofficeentourage/Jun2005/post23320119.asp

Entourage X shows similar slowdown/hangs, but only when I'm using a proxy server, AND starting in 10.5.4.

So, my take is that something that affects the network related operations of Rosetta apps has been changed in Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.4, and Eudora is a significant victim of this change.

Thanks for reading, and any hints are welcome, -- Heeday

Chris Devers

And I'm sure it was great, back in the day.

But that day has passed :-)

Yes, but some of us would like to keep it running long enough to find a suitable replacement.

It appears that the alternatives are still not there yet.

Nothing like the failure of the application that you depend on most to disrupt your life.

Ugh

At 12:56 AM -0700 8/27/08, D.B. wrote:

>Barring the 'echo chamber'-like sound of Eudora in the tidbits realm... ;)
>
>Can someone tell me precisely WHAT version of Eudora does work and
>with what plugins installed on a stock installation of Leopard
>10.5.4 on an 8-core Mac running 10.5.4?
>

D.B.:

I'm running Eudora 6.2.4 on an 8-core MacPro early 2008 2 x 2.8GHz
quad, 4GB RAM. OS X 10.5.4.

Plugins--Esoteric settings, Eudora Icons 6.0, Rot 13 carbon (never
use that anymore), SpamHeaders OS X, SpamWatch OSX, StaticJunkDB.txt,
UPPERlower Text OS X are listed in get info but I also have in Eudora
Folder stuff like Kill X-Sender and a boat load of tables. Stashed in
~/Library/Application Support/Eudora are BLAH-and-Others and
textsoap_cfmEudora from TextSoap 5.

Don't have any IMAP accounts and I have at least 27 personalities
(some outdated), a ton of filters and my Eudora Folder weighs in at
7.1GB.

Seems to work fine except when servers are misbehaving or Internet is
flaky. (Thank you TimeWarner cable for thos frequent DHCP lease
renewals that take multiple tries to connect.)


>I have used Eudora for ages. I know what it can and can't do.
>
>•It can do mail.
>
>•It can quickly go through my email and delete all duplicate
>messages. It can do this in about 10 seconds with >150,000 messages
>in total. Mail.app with an applescript takes about an hour to go
>through 12000.
>
>Eudora has also acquired this most annoying new talent of dying
>whenever it tries to send mail or to open new windows as a
>consequence of a filter. I do not have any sounds enabled. I have
>tried various iterations of Eudora 6.x. All to no avail. If I want
>to use it without it crashing, I have to revert to Tiger.
>

That stuff works fine here. Just some delays on mail delivery that
opening task progress usually fixes. Hogs CPU at times.


>Odysseus is not yet ready for prime time. (yes, I've paid for it,
>but it still isn't near ready as of today).
>
>Mail.app requires an inordinate amount of workarounds to get things
>reasonable (multiple source accounts requires an unobvious use of
>'email accounts' in the setup pane as a place for a sequential entry
>of email addresses to be used, separated by a comma. How utterly
>obvious ;) (Shall I even mention Mail.app's amazing talent for
>deciding that a mailbox is empty even though it isn't, the finder
>says it isn't, its emlx files are still in the appropriate
>directory.... and it is still 'empty'?!)
>
>So how do I get Eudora to work then?
>
>[Maybe a VMWare install of Tiger on this mac and Eudora running in
>its own little virtual machine? ;) ]

No major problems here.

--Jim

I just wanted to add that while having the progress window open tends to cause a hang, not having it open does not prevent a hang -- sometimes receiving an attachment or other actions can cause a hang. I'm frusrated and might reinstall 10.5.2... -- Heeday

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:18 AM, heeday <heedaymac.com> wrote:
> I just wanted to add that while having the progress window open tends to cause a hang, not having it open does not prevent a hang -- sometimes receiving an attachment or other actions can cause a hang. I'm frusrated and might reinstall 10.5.2... -- Heeday

You shouldn't go back to 10.5.2. 10.5.2 equals no more security fixes
(and lots needed that you won't get).

I was about to downgrade to 10.5.2 -- frankly, I would choose to have my phone line working than worry about an exotic possibility of being wiretapped :-)

Then I found that Mac OS X 10.5.5 update was out. Thinking I had nothing to lose, I made a backup of both Eudora and Entourage data, repaired permissions using Disk Utility and took the dive.

The Software Update version of 10.5.5 did not work (which I maybe should be glad about), complaining that the installer package was in the Trash. Other applicable updates were applied and some permissions were repaired after each restart.

So I downloaded the 600MB+ Combo update and applied it. The update installed without incident and after a restart, an "OK" recognition of something related to Boot Caches, another restart and repairing of permissions, life seems to be good again, at least for the past 5 hours or so. I even have the Progress Window open in Eudora!

With it open, each mail check does cause 186 lines of "_NSautoreleaseNoPool()" messages in the System Log, but that does not seem to choke the System.

I hope this peace continues and I'm very glad to have been able to regain the productivity I've enjoyed with the tools I am familiar with!

Cheers, -- Heeday

Yep ... same thing here on a 3 GHz iMac running 10.5.5. Eudora's been fine on 10.4.11 on a PPC powerbook. And previously fine on all my PPC macs and clones. But on the iMac the same errors as you quote, and a complete lock up which corrupted the mailboxes that were open at the time.

For the time being I've migrated to mail.app while I set up a complete mail server ... getmail / DSpam / maildrop / dovecot ... using maildir ... and everything here will now use IMAP to access the same mail on the server.