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Endnote, Bookends, Sente, Zotero, oh my CHeinz338 - 08:10am Jan 9, 2008 PSTI've been using Endnote since the early '90's, if not earlier. I'm finally getting tired of $100 upgrades and slow bug fixes, and am looking for a replacement. Things I have in mind: -My Endnote database has close to 2K entries. I'm an ecologist, and have tried to keep tabs on all the reprints I've collected over time. So, the ability to work easily with a large database is a must. -Plug-and-play with Word is essential, including support for the new version on the way. (Citations and bibliographies.) -I'm not as keen on the ability to hook up with library databases. My school's library leaves something to be desired in my field. I've tried searching widely for reviews, and it seems to be almost a religious question. Of course, the best one is whichever one the author happens to have chosen for themselves. (Well, except Endnote, which I seem not to be alone in attempting to replace.) I can't find anything recent here in a search, but would appreciate a pointer if I missed it. Yes, Zotero is free (I installed it today), and both Bookends and Sente have free trials. Bookends' demo is crippled in the database size, though, so that's something I can't test for myself. And, a new semester begins anew in less than a week, so I need to pick something fast! Many thanks for any and all assistance! Cheryl
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Ashish Ranpura
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Jul 17, 2008 4:58 am
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Re: Endnote, Bookends, Sente, Zotero, oh my
I'm a long-time Sente user, and based on previous discussions on TidBITS Talk, I suspect a number of us will chime in here.
Sente has been great for quite a while, and the most recent major update resolved my only remaining complaints. Now the program finds citations easily, re-names and stores PDF files in a user-defined way, and works beautifully with keywords and filters. The new version has an integrated web browser, which makes jumping through authentication hoops easy, and makes downloading PDFs from the web straightforward. A new Quick Find feature means that when a colleague emails me a PDF, I simply drop it into Sente and the program automatically finds the full reference information from PubMed, links in the PDF and manages the file naming and storage. Bibliographies are perfect, I use Mellel which has tight integration with Sente, but Word and BibTex are also well integrated.
Sente may cost more than competitors, I'm unsure. Since research is central to my work, and since I get academic pricing, the cost wasn't really an issue. Sente's developers are very active and engaged on the Sente forums, and updates are regular and targeted -- this is worth a lot.
The one area that could be improved is the search dialog for PubMed searching. It's a bit fiddly, and search results are displayed in a saved search library rather than in a temporary separate window. This has pros and cons, and once you're used to it is a minor issue at most.
Sente doesn't have facilities for reading PDFs within the program (in opens them in Preview), and the note-taking facilities are very basic -- a text field into which you enter notes. But for finding references and managing a PDF library, I think it's the best program available.
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Nigel Stanger (apparently)
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Jul 18, 2008 4:53 am
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Re: Endnote, Bookends, Sente, Zotero, oh my
On 17/07/2008 11:58 PM, "Ashish Ranpura" <buddhahead  ranpura.com> spake
thus:
> Bibliographies are perfect, I use Mellel which has tight integration with
> Sente, but Word and BibTex are also well integrated.
Hm. I just tried the demo yesterday and I'm less than impressed with it's
BibTeX import. I imported my nearly 1200-entry reference list, and there's a
whole bunch with various errors such as blank titles, incorrect publication
types (e.g., conference proceedings being categorised as journal articles),
etc. BibTeX import should be easy and is something that I would expect
commercial software to get right. It's also something I need as a lot of my
references come in BibTeX form.
Sente looks like a very nice program that I might consider using, but I
don't have time to do major cleanup work after import. Maybe I'll have a
chat to the developers about it.
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Nigel Stanger, Dunedin, NEW ZEALAND.
http://xri.net/=nigel.stanger
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Michael at Third Street
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Jul 19, 2008 4:56 am
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Re: Endnote, Bookends, Sente, Zotero, oh my
Nigel,
Please do submit your BibTeX file to us (Third Street Software, the maker of Sente) along with any notes about particular references that you think were mishandled. We always investigate reports like this to see if there are problem in the Sente importer. Please use our support at thirdstreetsoftware dot com address.
Michael
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