Talking Points Memo Goes Mac (and has questions)

I used to be a Mac + Eudora geek, if you can be a geek without really knowing your ass from your elbow, technically speaking.  But now I don't see the point of Eudora and the other primary email programs (which is surely not the proper, geeky, thing to call them).  I prefer Internet-based email programs because I can access them from anywhere.  I'm in Japan today; by chance, I'll be in England tomorrow, using other computers, and I'll have to rely on my Gmail program.  But the same thing happens without any traveling.  I have one provider at home and another provider at my office and so I need something more catholic that Eudora. 

Come to think of it, I really love Gmail, by Google.  Now I'm a Mac + Google geek.

Cheers,
Greg

At 11:11 AM -0700 2006/08/04, James Atkinson wrote:
>Josh Marshall, the driving force behind the groundbreaking political
>blogs Talking Points Memo, TPM Cafe, and TPM Muckraker has made the
>switch to Mac after a mostly Mac-less career.
>
>He's loving it. Really loving it.
>
>Check here for some honest old fashioned heartfelt Mac Evangelism:
>
><http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/009299.php>http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/009299.php
>
>And he's looking for some Eudora migration help. Do any Mac +
>Eudora geeks still read this list?

        I already suggested he find an IMAP server, and recognize
that "Mac" is not a company.


                                                Chris
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>Come to think of it, I really love Gmail, by Google. Now I'm a Mac
>+ Google geek.

Now if G-mail would just develop a way to split the window so I can
glance at the content without reloading, I'd be in G-heaven...
ss

At 11:11 AM -0700 8/4/06, James Atkinson wrote:
>Check here for some honest old fashioned heartfelt Mac Evangelism:
>
><http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/009299.php>http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/009299.php
>
>And he's looking for some Eudora migration help. Do any Mac + Eudora
>geeks still read this list?
>

        It sounds like his file problem might be a line endings one. There
are probably some utilities wrapped up in a GUI to do these sorts of
conversions, but to do it via the command line here is some info I keep on
my IMAP server since I seem to always need it when I am at someone else's
computer:

> Different platforms use different line endings:
>
> Mac (classic) uses Carriage Returns (CR) as line endings (\r)
> Windows and Dos use Carriage Return and Linefeed (CRLF) (\r\n)
> Unix uses Line Feeds (LF) (\n)
> Mac OS X unix programs generally use the same as "Unix", and Mac OS X
> Mac-like programs use the same as Mac classic.
>
> To convert on can use the command line "tr" command which I guess does
> file processing:
>
> to go from PC to mac use: cat PC.txt | tr "\r\n" "\r" > mac.txt
> to go from unix to mac use: cat unix.txt | tr "\n" "\r" > mac.txt
> to go from mac to PC use: cat mac.txt | tr "\r" "\r\n" > PC.txt
> to go from mac to unix use: cat mac.txt | tr "\r" "\n" > unix.txt





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On Aug 9, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Johann Beda wrote:
> Different platforms use different line endings:
>
> Mac (classic) uses Carriage Returns (CR) as line endings (\r)
> Windows and Dos use Carriage Return and Linefeed (CRLF) (\r\n)
> Unix uses Line Feeds (LF) (\n)
> Mac OS X unix programs generally use the same as "Unix", and Mac OS X
> Mac-like programs use the same as Mac classic.
>
> To convert on can use the command line "tr" command which I guess does
> file processing:
>
> to go from PC to mac use: cat PC.txt | tr "\r\n" "\r" > mac.txt
> to go from unix to mac use: cat unix.txt | tr "\n" "\r" > mac.txt
> to go from mac to PC use: cat mac.txt | tr "\r" "\r\n" > PC.txt
> to go from mac to unix use: cat mac.txt | tr "\r" "\n" > unix.txt

Sorry, Johann. For to/from PC it requires a different command, since
tr simply replaces each character with another -- it doesn't replace
the PC sequence as you suggest. In the PC to mac case it will
replace each PC line break with two Mac line breaks (though this
behavior is not implemented by all versions of tr). In the mac to PC
case no change is accomplished by this tr command. Instead try:

sed 's/\r\n/\r/g' < PC.txt > mac.txt

sed 's/\r\n/\n/g' < PC.txt > unix.txt

sed 's/\n/\r/g' < unix.txt > mac.txt
   This can also be done as Johann suggested, or better, thus:
tr '\n' '\r' < unix.txt > mac.txt

sed 's/n/\r\n/g' < unix.txt > PC.txt

sed 's/\r/\n/g' < mac.txt > unix.txt
   This can also be done as Johann suggested, or better, thus:
tr '\r' '\n' < mac.txt > unix.txt

sed 's/\r/\r\n/g' < mac.txt > PC.txt

Regards,

Geoff

At 13:57 -0700 UTC, on 2006-08-09, Johann Beda wrote:

[...]

> It sounds like his file problem might be a line endings one. There
> are probably some utilities wrapped up in a GUI to do these sorts of
> conversions

The usual advice in Eudoraland is to convert the line endings with
BBEdit/TextWrangler.


--
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At 11:11 AM -0700 8/4/06, James Atkinson wrote:
>Josh Marshall, the driving force behind the groundbreaking political
>blogs Talking Points Memo, TPM Cafe, and TPM Muckraker has made the
>switch to Mac after a mostly Mac-less career.
>
>He's loving it. Really loving it.

Except for this one little statement:

>(It still bums me out that Mac doesn't make a Tablet computer. I
>absolutely love my Tablet.)

I feel exactly the same way. I'm looking for a new portable, and the
idea of having a Mac that I could boot into OS X or Windows is very
appealing. However, for working on tiny Starbucks tables, or
standing, or in my car, or to scribble down a quick note, I can't
beat the convenience of my Motion Computing "pure" tablet. Boy I
wish it were an option when buying a MacBook!

Dave

At 11:27 AM -0700 8/10/06, Geoffrey Odhner wrote:
>> to go from PC to mac use: cat PC.txt | tr "\r\n" "\r" > mac.txt
>> to go from unix to mac use: cat unix.txt | tr "\n" "\r" > mac.txt
>> to go from mac to PC use: cat mac.txt | tr "\r" "\r\n" > PC.txt
>> to go from mac to unix use: cat mac.txt | tr "\r" "\n" > unix.txt
>
>Sorry, Johann. For to/from PC it requires a different command, since
>tr simply replaces each character with another -- it doesn't replace
>the PC sequence as you suggest. In the PC to mac case it will
>replace each PC line break with two Mac line breaks (though this
>behavior is not implemented by all versions of tr). In the mac to PC
>case no change is accomplished by this tr command.

        Humm - I wonder where I coppied this info from? I don't think I
have ever tried anything but the PC to mac conversion - I do not recall
getting any double line breaks in any of the files I have used it on, but
perhaps my memory is faulty.

        I will keep your "sed" commands on file now....


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* Johann's MostlyMac Computer Consulting - <http://mmcc.beda.ca/> *

>At 11:11 AM -0700 8/4/06, James Atkinson wrote:



>>(It still bums me out that Mac doesn't make a Tablet computer. I
>>absolutely love my Tablet.)
>
>
Yep a tablet would be nice. I have just gone from the 12" PB to the
MacBook and would happily go back to the smaller size if they made it
but somehow I can't see them making a 12" and a 13". Part of the
reason I liked the 12 is the one you quote -- the increasing number
of WiFi enabled coffee shops mean I would find a notebook that fitted
on the table really handy. Mind you the plastic shell of the MacBook
makes WiFi reception a lot better!

Michael