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10.4.7 ate my printer?

[benr]benr (apparently) - 07:12am Jul 6, 2006 PST
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Something horrible is eating away at my printers, one by one. I think it
might be 10.4.7, but I can't be sure.

There are two printers on the ethernet network in my office, a Xerox DocuPrint
2125 PS, and a Tektronix Phaser 6250N. First the problem was with the Xerox,
which is usually my default printer; this does give me problems from time to
time, generally that it can't connect to the printer; I usually fix this by
deleting it and adding it again. Now however, this didn't work; the newly
added 'printer' now reports:
        "Unable to get printer status (client-error-forbidden)!"

All the things that sometimes helped - eg rebooting the printer, rebooting my
Mac, deleting the printer and adding it again - didn't. I swore a bit and
moved the jobs to the Phaser. Eventually I tired of it and decided to get
serious.

Googling around led me to the "Reset Printing System" in the Printer Setup
Utility. Trashes everything - I didn't care, I was mad enough to try it.
Added the Xerox again - same problem. More upsettingly, when I added the
Phaser - it was now in the same situation! That is, the status of the printer is
        "Unable to get printer status (client-error-forbidden)!"

I then tried "Printer Setup Repair" (PSR)
<http://www.fixamacsoftware.com/software/psr5/> - the first time I tried the
"System User Verification and Repair" this found a number of exciting
permissions errors, and one missing file "/private/etc/cups/classes.conf". I
took a copy of that file from a colleague, also running 10.4.7 on an identical
model PowerBook (aluminium G4). Ran PSR verification and repair again (which
corrected permissions and ownership on my grafted-in file) - no better off. I
also went through all the other sections of PSR, cleaned verified and emptied
everything I could, and rebooted again. No better.

By now I had been inducted into the mysteries of CUPS, and had restarted that
as well, and had the benefit of its web interface... but poking around there
didn't improve the situation in any way.

I've also run the repair permissions feature in Disk Utility.

I may be wrong in pinning the blame on 10.4.7 - although other people have
reported printing issues since the update, none have reported exactly this
issue - and none of my colleagues, printing on the same network to the same
printers, have as far as I know had the problem either. However, the problem
seems to be (I can't be sure) specifically something that comes in when you
add the printer - ie my Phaser printer was OK until I unwisely trashed it and
added it again.

So... can anyone shed any light, or suggests something else to try?

I have finally acquired printing capability again, by adding the Phaser as a
Bonjour item instead of an IP Printer (the Xerox is an older machine and
doesn't show up under Bonjour). My always flakey memory tells me that I used
to sometimes have better luck addressing either the Xerox or Phaser by
AppleTalk instead of IP - but that doesn't seem to be offered any more. Has
this been removed in 10.4.7 - or am I just imagining it, perhaps
misremembering using Rendesvous?

Thanks in advance for any tips,

   Ben Rubinstein | Email: benrcogapp.com
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jsparks929 (apparently) - Jul 6, 2006 11:35 am (#1 Total: 9)  

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Re: 10.4.7 ate my printer?

On Jul 6, 2006, at 10:12 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> Something horrible is eating away at my printers, one by one. I
> think it might be 10.4.7, but I can't be sure.

Hi Ben,
I'm not an expert but you can still get into the Appletalk printer
options under 10.4.7 (or at least I could.)

 From Printer Set Up utility select ADD Printer. On the pop up there
will be an option of more printers. Click that. The top pulldown menu
of the pop-up has the option of AppleTalk. If I remember correctly
the last time I had to use this I had to enter info in the first
screen then go to the second select Appletalk then the printer would
appear in the lower pull down menu. I can't test it as I don't have
access to that printer currently.

Hope this helps.
Jean

james.atkinson (apparently) - Jul 6, 2006 11:35 am (#2 Total: 9)  

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Ben:

Both the 2125 and the Phaser 6250 printers are Xerox products. Support and downloads are available at:

http://www.support.xerox.com

Troubleshooting 101 would suggest that you check to make sure you're not running old or incompatible drivers/PPDs (e.g., Classic PPDs under OS X). Both of these models offer separate drivers for network vs. USB connectivity, but I'm sure it is easy enough to cross the two.

Also be sure to obtain the latest firmware for both printers, especially for the older 2125 which predates or equidates the earliest versions of OS X. The latest updates should take Appletalk version issues off the table, among other things. If these are corporately owned network printers, you would of course want to contact your IT folks to do this.

I would be shocked. SHOCKED! if Apple were to have eliminated support for IP printing (i.e., LPR and/or RAW socket printing) in 10.4.7, but have not yet gone to 10.4.7 on my Macs and cannot confirm what you're reporting and thus will keep my powder dry.

Rendezvous is not the same as plain old IP printing inherited from Unix. You should be seeing options for both in your printer setup screens.

If it comes down to tech support, I always have been impressed with Xerox tech support for their office printer line. You can talk to humans via a toll-free number in Wilsonville, OR:

1-800-835-6100

This will be a free call if you are carrying a Xerox maintenance contract on the printers. Otherwise "please have your credit card available." You know the routine.

Note that there also does exist a busier "mainline" support line for Xerox MFDs, production equipment and so forth. You will be happier with the 800 number above.

Since the problem is happening with both printers, I would agree with you that the issue probably is occurring at the OS level, and perhaps only on your box, but PPD files and so forth can certainly mimic OS-level problems under certain conditions. Worth a look.

Luck.

James Atkinson
Asheville, NC

anthony (apparently) - Jul 9, 2006 10:30 am (#3 Total: 9)  

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Ben Rubinstein wrote:
> Now however, this didn't work; the newly
> added 'printer' now reports:
> "Unable to get printer status (client-error-forbidden)!"

That sounds like a CUPS error message. I've seen it before on my Linux
boxes when the access lists in CUPS get messed up. Can you get the
printer status, print a test page, configure the printer, etc. from
http://127.0.0.1:631/ (the CUPS web interface)?

Also, there should be some CUPS logfiles somewhere (sorry, don't have my
Mac in front of me to check where they are). Look for CUPS's access and
error logs, see if anything funny is in them.

samcomet (apparently) - Jul 11, 2006 12:09 am (#4 Total: 9)  

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I had the same problem after the update so I went to CUPS website (http://www.cups.org/software.php) and downloaded I think it was 1.2.1dmg something for Mac and voila!
hope this helps,
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sam



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Charles M. Hoard - Jul 11, 2006 10:50 am (#5 Total: 9)  

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As for 10.4.7 and printers, I am thrilled! There was the addition of a Brother HL-1670 CUPS driver; the Brother 1670 is a great network printer, if you have a Windows machine.

I added the driver to my PowerMac and my Powerbook and it now works flawlessly across the network. Duplex printer, clean laser text and graphics at 600dpi, what more could you want?

I say, WELL DONE, 10.4.7! You saved me about $500.

benr (apparently) - Jul 17, 2006 11:13 am (#6 Total: 9)  

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Thanks to all who replied.

I have now got the DocuPrint 2125 working on AppleTalk (thanks Jean!) so I've
got both printers back (having previously got the Phaser working on Bonjour).

But I'm no nearer understanding why I have apparently lost the ability to add
any IP printers without getting the "Unable to get printer status
(client-error-forbidden)!" message. (James - I'm not suggesting IP printing
has been abandoned in 10.4.7, just that I now have a problem with it).

This is indeed CUPS, and appears also when using the CUPS web interface
directly to print a test page. I looked at the CUPS logfiles (thanks
Anthony!) and they didn't tell me anything except the date that it started
happening - unfortunately when I then switched on advanced debugging (or was
it when I updated CUPS?), this effectively wiped the error log, and I hadn't
written it down... was it June 16, or 19, or 29? Now I'll never know, though
I do know that I updated to 10.4.7 on June 29; but alas I now can't be sure if
in fact the problem started happening before that. (A colleague has told me
that he had the same error with the DocuPrint "some time ago", and couldn't
remember how we fixed it - turns out he's now accessing it via AppleTalk too.
So it may not be a 10.4.7 issue.)

I also updated to CUPS 1.2.1 (thanks Sam!) but still have exactly the same
problem.

I am, I think stuck. On the one hand, I've got both printers working, so I'm
"happy". But I still don't know what the problem is, and apparently I'm now
banned from IP printing altogether... so I'm not really happy. If anyone has
any further suggestions - or if anyone else encounters this problem - I'd be
interested to hear.

   Ben Rubinstein | Email: benrcogapp.com
   Cognitive Applications Ltd | Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
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Bill Jacobs - Feb 28, 2007 12:51 pm (#7 Total: 9)  

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Gleaned form the net. I used Appletalk instead, but this might put others on the right track. I didn't play with it much, so it may or may not help.

You may need to force admin access in CUPS (the unix printing system Apple uses) Go to the main CUPS Web interface page http://127.0.0.1:631/ and then click the“Do Administration Tasks” link.

This will bring up a name and password dialog. Provide your Mac OS X user name and password to authenticate. After doing this,you’ll be on the Admin page,from which you can access the various adminiistrative dialogs. (Note:You can also go back to the main CUPS page and access any functions from there) Once you’ve authenticated,you’ll no longer see“client-error-forbidden”errors.

Ric Getter - Mar 12, 2007 12:15 pm (#8 Total: 9)  

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I am having a similar problem, but with my Adobe PDF 7.0 printer (jobs go in, but they don't come out). PSR is telling me that my ppds.dat and classes.conf files are missing. Could this be related to the Xerox problem benr is asking about? It's an issue that only exists in my user login. Working in a "naked" test user works just fine.

Thanks, Ric

Dave Della Costa - Jul 18, 2007 2:39 am (#9 Total: 9)  

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Hey folks,

For the record, I was getting the same message trying to set up a Xerox 7750DN for use in a computer lab, and by changing the setting from IPP to LPD I was able to print. This thread on the Mac discussions site was where I found the solution:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1990092&#1990092

Best, Dave D.



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