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iTunes 6 Gets Video mmatty (apparently) - 10:25am Oct 24, 2005 PSTvia emailAnother great article from Adam about the new iTunes videos, but I do
have an observation about the economics and viability of music
videos. Most music videos will often cost more to produce than a
typical episode of a TV show.
Though they have been traditionally given away as promos to MTV,
etc., one of the reasons that MTV began running so much original
programming is that the production costs of the videos have
skyrocketed so high that the music companies could no longer produce
the number and frequency they originally had.
Since the cost of the videos are typically covered by the advance
given by the record company, having the ability to sell videos might
help some artists actually make some money on their recordings. There
are many fans who would be willing to spend the extra $1 for a video
from a favorite band, though I doubt if the sales will ever be more
than a fraction of the iTunes sales.
Marilyn
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MTV is also running more original programming in hopes of retaining its viewers.
From its earliest days it was basically radio with pictures and its ratings were like radio. High cumes - people sampling - but lower quarter hours - people staying with MTV for any length of time. As soon as you saw a video you didn't like, you would go elsewhere. Longer form programming encourages steadier viewership, which is more attractive to advertisers.
Jack iTunes 6 Gets Video Initial Message Posted by: mmatty Date: Oct 24, 2005. Another great article from Adam about the new iTunes videos, but I do have an observation about the economics and viability of music videos. Most music videos will often cost more to produce than a typical episode of a TV show.
Though they have been traditionally given away as promos to MTV, etc., one of the reasons that MTV began running so much original programming is that the production costs of the videos have skyrocketed so high that the music companies could no longer produce the number and frequency they originally had.
Since the cost of the videos are typically covered by the advance given by the record company, having the ability to sell videos might help some artists actually make some money on their recordings. There are many fans who would be willing to spend the extra $1 for a video from a favorite band, though I doubt if the sales will ever be more than a fraction of the iTunes sales.
Marilyn
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Adam Engst
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Oct 26, 2005 3:04 pm
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At 10:25 AM -0700 10/24/05, Marilyn Matty wrote:
>I don't think he needs to shout the "one more thing" too loudly; if
>this takes off, he'll be beating them off with a stick. The average
>viewer of a prime time TV show is worth about 37 cents to the
>station. Even if they split the $1.99 with Apple, the producers will
>be way ahead of the game with each video sold.
That 37 cents is a fascinating number. Do you have any information
about how the rest of the chain (the network, the producers, etc)
earn money in a standard TV show?
>And the TV stations have been up in arms for a while about people
>distributing programs via file sharing. Why not try to make some
>money off of the content they already have?
I think TV shows are an more interesting argument music or movies
when it comes to the file sharing networks. After all, the television
stations and cable companies are creating a highly artificial
environment in which you must view, and they've not been happy about
anything that cuts into that control (VCRs, TiVo, etc). With file
sharing networks, you can download just the shows you want to watch,
even if you missed watching them live or recording them when they
first aired, or ran in reruns.
I'm sure there will be tweaking over time, but that's the reason I
think selling TV shows in the iTunes Music Store will be a hit -
there are plenty of people who would like more control over when,
where, and what they want on TV, and Apple is providing that control.
cheers... -Adam
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Adam Engst
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Oct 26, 2005 3:04 pm
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At 10:25 AM -0700 10/24/05, Marilyn Matty wrote:
>Another great article from Adam about the new iTunes videos, but I do
>have an observation about the economics and viability of music
>videos. Most music videos will often cost more to produce than a
>typical episode of a TV show.
Really? I certainly can see some costing more, but TV shows have so
much more going on generally - more actors, permanent sets, etc.
Though I suppose all that's amortized over many shows.
>Though they have been traditionally given away as promos to MTV,
>etc., one of the reasons that MTV began running so much original
>programming is that the production costs of the videos have
>skyrocketed so high that the music companies could no longer produce
>the number and frequency they originally had.
Ah, that makes sense... And of course it turns into an arms race,
where everyone has to have a snazzier and thus more expensive music
video.
>Since the cost of the videos are typically covered by the advance
>given by the record company, having the ability to sell videos might
>help some artists actually make some money on their recordings. There
>are many fans who would be willing to spend the extra $1 for a video
>from a favorite band, though I doubt if the sales will ever be more
>than a fraction of the iTunes sales.
One thing that I believe is true, but which I didn't want to say in
the article is that a music video isn't just a song with video. It's
a different thing, and I don't believe you can have it in the same
playlists, etc. and just listen to it as music. So in fact, you'd
probably end up buying the song as a song, and then the video as an
extra.
cheers... -Adam
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Dan Frakes
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Oct 27, 2005 10:43 am
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On 10/26/2005 3:04 PM, "Adam C. Engst" wrote:
> One thing that I believe is true, but which I didn't want to say in
> the article is that a music video isn't just a song with video. It's
> a different thing, and I don't believe you can have it in the same
> playlists, etc. and just listen to it as music. So in fact, you'd
> probably end up buying the song as a song, and then the video as an
> extra.
You can create playlists that contain both audio and video files. When
played in iTunes, all files in the playlist, music and video, will play
fine. However, when the playlist is transferred them to an iPod with video,
only the music and music video tracks appear.
So if you want a song *and* its video, and have a video-capable iPod, you
can just buy the video. The downside to this is that the video will take up
significantly more space on your iPod -- for example, the video for Fatboy
Slim's "Weapon of Choice" is 19.2 MB, as opposed to just a few MB as a 128
or 160 kbps music file.
< http://playlistmag.com/reviews/2005/10/itunes6/index.php>
[Thanks for the clarification, Dan - sounds like Apple basically did it right. -Adam]
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Dan Frakes
Senior Editor, Macworld
Reviews Editor, Playlist
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mmatty (apparently)
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Oct 27, 2005 10:43 am
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On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:04 PM, Adam C. Engst wrote:
> At 10:25 AM -0700 10/24/05, Marilyn Matty wrote:
>
>> I don't think he needs to shout the "one more thing" too loudly; if
>> this takes off, he'll be beating them off with a stick. The average
>> viewer of a prime time TV show is worth about 37 cents to the
>> station. Even if they split the $1.99 with Apple, the producers will
>> be way ahead of the game with each video sold.
>>
>
> That 37 cents is a fascinating number. Do you have any information
> about how the rest of the chain (the network, the producers, etc)
> earn money in a standard TV show?
The $.37 is an average figure that I saw in Ad Age recently, though
it doesn't seem to vary much year to year. It's based on net revenues
for the networks. The figures for who earns what vary wildly
depending upon the particular show, how popular it is at the moment,
the track record of who and what is involved, and occasionally, who
is doing what to whom (though this often isn't discussed or disclosed).
>
>
>> And the TV stations have been up in arms for a while about people
>> distributing programs via file sharing. Why not try to make some
>> money off of the content they already have?
>>
>
> I think TV shows are an more interesting argument music or movies
> when it comes to the file sharing networks. After all, the television
> stations and cable companies are creating a highly artificial
> environment in which you must view, and they've not been happy about
> anything that cuts into that control (VCRs, TiVo, etc).
The panic about DVR's and zapping is subsiding:
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6255862.html?
display=Advertising
> With file
> sharing networks, you can download just the shows you want to watch,
> even if you missed watching them live or recording them when they
> first aired, or ran in reruns.
>
> I'm sure there will be tweaking over time, but that's the reason I
> think selling TV shows in the iTunes Music Store will be a hit -
> there are plenty of people who would like more control over when,
> where, and what they want on TV, and Apple is providing that control.
Maybe it's a step toward a DVR set top/iPod/Mac hookup in the future.
Marilyn
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mmatty (apparently)
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Oct 27, 2005 10:43 am
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On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:04 PM, Adam C. Engst wrote:
> At 10:25 AM -0700 10/24/05, Marilyn Matty wrote:
>> Another great article from Adam about the new iTunes videos, but I do
>> have an observation about the economics and viability of music
>> videos. Most music videos will often cost more to produce than a
>> typical episode of a TV show.
>
> Really? I certainly can see some costing more, but TV shows have so
> much more going on generally - more actors, permanent sets, etc.
> Though I suppose all that's amortized over many shows.
Factor in the production values, post production work, music
licensing, etc. into the cost of a commercial. Consider also that
many top directors, like Errol Morris who did the "Switchers" and
other Apple ads, Spike Lee, etc., make more money directing
commercials than they do in films, and that Steve Buschemi limits his
acting work to direct commercials, etc. Add in the cost of endorsers,
voice talent (many commercials you hear have top actors doing voice
overs), and it quickly skyrockets.
And permanent sets and fixed locations are cheaper than having to put
together elaborate sets, go on location, etc. constantly.
Animation in commercials and coordinating animation with live action,
is usually more finely tuned and finely crafted than in TV shows.
Marilyn
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Tomoharu Nishino (apparently)
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Oct 27, 2005 11:28 am
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On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:04 PM, Adam C. Engst wrote: One thing that I believe is true, but which I didn't want to say in the article is that a music video isn't just a song with video. It's a different thing, and I don't believe you can have it in the same playlists, etc. and just listen to it as music. So in fact, you'd probably end up buying the song as a song, and then the video as an extra.
I've played around with this (bought a few of the Pixar shorts from iTMS) and here is what I've found.
Indeed video seems to be treated somewhat differently from songs:
1. Video and songs can coexist in the same playlist, including smart playlists. (The first time you drag a video to a song playlist, a warning will pop up saying that you are about to co-mingle video and songs and "most people prefer to keep them separate", but iTunes does not prevent you from having video in a playlist.) And in fact if you play a playlist containing videos, it will just play the sound of the video.
2. Any video in a playlist will only display the video content if the video is highlighted (selected) in the playlist---which is consistent with video playback behavior in the rest of iTunes. (I never understood why Apple chose to do it this way. Why iTunes cannot play video in a separate window while allowing the user to do other things in iTunes---like create playlists or do some organizing---is beyond me.)
3. Songs contained in a playlist will always play back from the beginning of the song. Videos, on the other hand, seem to support a "bookmark" feature where they will always playback starting where the last viewer stopped playback. This "feature" is not particularly useful when videos are part of a playlist.
4. The sound track of Videos cannot be sent to other speakers via AirTunes. If a video is part of a playlist that is being sent to an AirTunes speaker, all songs will playback from the specified AirTunes speaker but the video sound will playback through the local computer speaker (switching back and forth as necessary).
5. Videos cannot be shared via iTunes sharing. (I don't think this is a bandwidth issue, since these videos seem to be around 700kbps---well within the bandwidth of even 802.11b.)
All of these restrictions seem arbitrary or unnecessary---perhaps a result of the video feature being at "version 1". One hopes that Apple will address these issues in subsequent versions of iTunes making video playback (if not ripping) a more seamless experience.
Tn
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mmatty (apparently)
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Oct 28, 2005 7:40 am
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On Oct 27, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Dan Frakes wrote:
> for example, the video for Fatboy
> Slim's "Weapon of Choice" is 19.2 MB, as opposed to just a few MB
> as a 128 or 160 kbps music file.
>
> < http://playlistmag.com/reviews/2005/10/itunes6/index.php>
Speaking of Fatboy Slim, the video for "The Joker" is available in
Quicktime for free. Though it won't play on a video iPod, it's
definitely worth watching ;-) It's a ZeFrank production.
http://www.waverlyfilms.com/joker.html
Marilyn
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atlauren (apparently)
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I heard an idea today, that selling music videos is a stealth avenue
for the record companies to get that higher price they're looking
for. You want to charge more for that song? Just release the video,
and skip the single.
It also fits with Apple's general strategy of holding the price
points and offering additional features for the up-sell.
--
Andrew Laurence atlauren  es.nacs.uci.edu
Network & Academic Computing Svcs. http://www.nacs.uci.edu/~atlauren/
UC Irvine
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Lewis Butler (apparently)
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On 10/28/05, Marilyn Matty <mmatty  nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Dan Frakes wrote:
> > for example, the video for Fatboy
> > Slim's "Weapon of Choice" is 19.2 MB, as opposed to just a few MB
> > as a 128 or 160 kbps music file.
>
> Speaking of Fatboy Slim, the video for "The Joker" is available in
> Quicktime for free. Though it won't play on a video iPod, it's
> definitely worth watching ;-) It's a ZeFrank production.
I'd pay for their video of Weapon Of Choice. In fact, it's possibly
the only video i can think of I would buy. And it's not for the song!
:)
< http://www.astralwerks.com/fbs/woc/>
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mmatty (apparently)
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A few weeks ago, we had a discussion on TidBITS Talk in which I
mentioned that quite often a commercial will cost more to shoot than
the episode of a TV show that it's broadcast on. I stumbled on this
site, which has some great information, shots and Quicktime videos,
about the production wonderful commercial for Bravia TVs, in which
250,000 colored balls were shot from from projectors and cannons and
sent bouncing down a street in in San Francisco for Sony Europe.
There's lots of fun stuff for anyone interested:
http://www.bravia-advert.com/
IMHO, it's a great metaphor for color, creativity and energy - and
the background music is a great match. Though it doesn't really
connect with the product, it's a strong enough message that it could
make a difference.
Marilyn
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