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10.4 vs 10.3.9 jason314 - 07:10am Oct 11, 2005 PSTRecently I upgraded from an old G3 iMac running 10.3.9 to a mini running 10.4.2 and I'm not sure that I'm impressed. The mini came pre-installed with 10.4 and through softwareupdate I've upgraded it to 10.4.2 but I have a few issues which are making me consider downgrading it to 10.3.9 and am wondering what people's experience/advise is? Are there specific reasons that people running 10.3.x have not upgraded and those that have what do you think of 10.4.x as opposed to 10.3.x? I mainly use only 4 applications on my mac, iMovie, iDVD, iCal and mail. I also use iTunes but only because the mac version can more reliably import certain CD's than Winamp. I am not interested in the look and feel of applications running under 10.4 as opposed to 10.3, being primarily a Windows user with a few linux boxes I'm used to applications that don't look and feel like the apple ones, as long as I can make them do what I want I don't care. My first gripe with 10.4 is iCal. I use a Sony Ericsson cellphone and sync it with iCal. On the phone when I set up a TODO item (called tasks on the phone) I can set a reminder. Under 10.3.9 when I created a task with a reminder on the phone and synced it to iCal, iCal would pop up the alarm box with the TODO in it at the appointed time. Under 10.4, iCal pops up a blank alarm box and then I have to try and work out which TODO it's associated with. Initially I was unable to Sync at all and had to patch iSync to make it compatible again. What's with that? Another problem that I have (which may have existed under 10.3 but I didn't have wireless so don't know) is that Bonjour upsets my ADSL router. I've had to turn off the DHCP on the router and manually assign IP addresses to all boxes connected to it. I initially thought that this may be to do with iTunes 5 because windows users that have upgraded to iTunes 5 have reported the same problem so I was trying to avoid getting iTunes 5 but accidently got it through software update. I found some instructions via Slashdot to turn off Bonjour under 10.4 but after I did what they said the mini would no longer boot. This is becoming a real problem because instead of using the machine name/UNC path to connect to another machine, I have to use the IP address. I have tried using the machine name but because each machine has been told the IP address of my ISP's DNS it uses that and tries to resolve the names on the internet. My other major complaint is dashboard, in it's current configuration I find it rather gimmicky and with little practical use. I was looking forward to OS X 10.4 after going to a pre-relase demonstration not long after it was announced. At the demonstration dashboard looked very cool with widgets popping up on the main screen with a sort of ripple effect. I have neither been able to find out if this is still an option in the actual release or where to turn it on if it still does exist. As for the widgets, why would I want to move my mouse to the dashboard icon, then click the iTunes widget which has very limited control? It's quicker and easier to go directly to iTunes or get out my phone and use Salling Clicker (which incedintly gives more information than the iTunes widget) If I go ahead and downgrade to 10.3.9, can anyone tell me if I will be able to access all more stored e-mail messages, I suspect not because after importing all my settings from the G3 during 10.4 setup, I remember something about mail wanting to "upgrade" the mailboxes (can't remember the exact phrasing it used). I take it that this is irreversible. Also, does anyone know if iMovieHD and iDVDHD run under 10.3.9? If necessary (& possible) I will run a dual boot 10.3.9/10.4.2 just to use iMovie and iDVD. (Hard Drive space is not an issue, the mini has an 80Gb internal drive and I have 400Gb external storage space) Also, when I'm using iMovie I tend to quit everything else anyway. With the G3 I used to even have to turn the screensaver off while importing or else the camera and iMovie would get out of sync and cry. The mini is such a nice box, it's a shame the the OS isn't just as nice, or maybe I've just been a windows user too long and am used to more configurability. (Granted I may just not know how to hack OS X as well as I do Windows 2000 or XP)
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dawson (apparently)
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Oct 12, 2005 7:52 am
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Re: 10.4 vs 10.3.9
>Recently I upgraded from an old G3 iMac running 10.3.9 to a mini running 10.4.2 and I'm not sure that I'm impressed.
A friend upgraded her G3 iBook from 10.3.9 to 10.4 (and 10.4.2) and
is sorely disappointed. She did an archive and install and is now
investigating how to "backgrade" to 10.3.9. Here are some of her
comments.
_________________________
- Performance is noticeably degraded all round...
- "Help" no longer works, for Mac OS or for any Apple apps. If I
click Mac OS Help from the Finder I get a blank "Help" window;
search doesn't work; no TOC, no Index, no nuttin'. If I then click
Library and select Mac OS I get the Help window with a nice OS X
logo and picture and links to TOC, Index, etc -- but they don't
work; it's a frozen window. If I click Help from the Finder while
in an Apple app (doing which used to and should be
context-sensitive) I get a blank "Help" window. If I then click
Library and choose an Apple app, the window just stays blank.
- Tiger "breaks" things for me on the fly. Just now it has broken
the Character Palette. I still have the International >>>
Character Palette and Keyboard Viewer options on the drop-down
list from my menu bar, but clicking Show Character Palette shows a
blank Palette window very briefly and then goes away. It's still
broken after a reboot, and that's something I will miss. Do I have
the energy to chase down every .plist to try to fix these things?
No.
- Each time I use Retrospect or it runs itself, it "fixes" its
own startup permissions -- but then on reboot the OS doesn't like
the Startup folder's settings and requires me to change four of
them (two for Retro and two for the HP printer, and yup I
installed and reinstalled the brand-new HP driver).
- I still dislike very much getting no system and services
information during startup and/or reboot.
- I still dislike very much getting such reduced information in
Mail.
- Searching in Mail sucked before; now it's much worse. And I
haven't found a way to make Spotlight help with that in the
slightest.
...and more every day.
...
So I'm off to figure out how to return my iBook to the archived
Panther system -- but not lose the files that I've created and/or
modified since the archive, which might be tricky in apps like
Mail. Maybe some combination of restoring the archive and then
updating the hard drive with selections from a new, full Retro
backup... Or maybe I want to see if I can "downgrade" Mail to
the previous version but still use Tiger. I dunno -- much, much
ferreting to do before any keys are stroked...!
What a disappointment...
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jwilson166 (apparently)
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Oct 12, 2005 7:52 am
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Re: 10.4 vs 10.3.9
Hi Jason.
It's doubtful that your mini will run any OS prior to 10.4
if that's what shipped with it. As a quick test, see if the mini will
boot from one of your 10.4 install disks. If it won't, there's your
answer.
John
On Oct 11, 2005, at 10:10 AM, jason314 wrote:
> Recently I upgraded from an old G3 iMac running 10.3.9 to a mini
> running 10.4.2 and I'm not sure that I'm impressed.
>
> The mini came pre-installed with 10.4 and through softwareupdate
> I've upgraded it to 10.4.2 but I have a few issues which are making
> me consider downgrading it to 10.3.9....
>
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dshepherdson (apparently)
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Oct 12, 2005 7:52 am
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Re: 10.4 vs 10.3.9
On 11 Oct 2005, at 3.10 pm, jason314 wrote:
> My other major complaint is dashboard, in it's current
> configuration I find it rather gimmicky and with little practical
> use. I was looking forward to OS X 10.4 after going to a pre-relase
> demonstration not long after it was announced. At the demonstration
> dashboard looked very cool with widgets popping up on the main
> screen with a sort of ripple effect. I have neither been able to
> find out if this is still an option in the actual release or where
> to turn it on if it still does exist.
As I understand it, the ripple effect is only displayed when the
Mac's graphics card supports Core Video -- and the Mac mini graphics
card isn't up to it. (This makes the mini less attractive as a 'media
centre' machine.)
> As for the widgets, why would I want to move my mouse to the
> dashboard icon,
You can set up other ways of activating Dashboard -- by default, the
F12 key will do this. You can remove the Dashboard icon from the
Dock, too, to reclaim some screen space.
> then click the iTunes widget which has very limited control? It's
> quicker and easier to go directly to iTunes or get out my phone and
> use Salling Clicker (which incedintly gives more information than
> the iTunes widget)
This is a complete debate in itself. :)
I think Dashboard is most useful when it's providing something you
don't already do in a different way, or when you're using a widget
that gives you instant access to something that would otherwise be
several steps away. The only widgets I have open on my Dashboard are
the weather (for several cities), currency conversion (much easier to
get to here than going through the Calculator application) and some
clocks (actually the third-party FlipClock, rather than Apple's
supplied version).
At first I saw Dashboard as completely useless and thought I'd never
use it, but then I realised that some widgets actually do make things
easier -- and it's good when you want to glance at something quickly
(the time or weather, for example) to press F12 and then press it
again a second or so later to banish the Dashboard again. (Apart from
the first time, when you have to sit and wait for ages as all the
widgets start up.)
> If I go ahead and downgrade to 10.3.9, can anyone tell me if I will
> be able to access all more stored e-mail messages, I suspect not
> because after importing all my settings from the G3 during 10.4
> setup, I remember something about mail wanting to "upgrade" the
> mailboxes (can't remember the exact phrasing it used). I take it
> that this is irreversible.
Yes, you're correct -- the new mailbox format is incompatible with
the old one (although I'm sure there must be third-party tools that
will convert new to old). However, when the mailboxes are being
converted the first time Tiger's Mail is run, the old-style mailbox
files are left behind. (This is why the storage in ~/Library/Mail
seems to double in size for 10.4.) If you switch back to 10.3.9, all
your old messages should be intact; you just won't be able to get to
any new mail you received while running Tiger.
> The mini is such a nice box, it's a shame the the OS isn't just as
> nice, or maybe I've just been a windows user too long and am used
> to more configurability. (Granted I may just not know how to hack
> OS X as well as I do Windows 2000 or XP)
If you're into configurability and hacking, I suggest < http://
www.macosxhints.com>. All sorts of interesting things crop up there!
David Shepherdson
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rdh (apparently)
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Oct 12, 2005 10:24 am
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Re: 10.4 vs 10.3.9
On Oct 12, 2005, at 10:52 AM, John Wilson wrote:
> It's doubtful that your mini will run any OS prior to 10.4
> if that's what shipped with it. As a quick test, see if the mini will
> boot from one of your 10.4 install disks. If it won't, there's your
> answer.
Just for background, my mini shipped with 10.39, plus 10.4 disc in
the box, and ran fine in 10.39 before I upgraded, although I too am
thinking of reverting to Panther - unless someone can tell me how to
disable Spotlight and Dashboard, and get the old version of Mail to
work...
Roger Henriques
rdh at rhen dot com
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Re: 10.4 vs 10.3.9
Keith Dawson said:
>A friend upgraded her G3 iBook from 10.3.9 to 10.4 (and 10.4.2) and
>is sorely disappointed. She did an archive and install and is now
>investigating how to "backgrade" to 10.3.9. Here are some of her
>comments.
>_________________________
>
>- Performance is noticeably degraded all round...
If she just upgraded, she needs to allow Spotlight to have a chance to
index her entire drive. Performance will be degraded while it is doing
this. She may want to leave her Mac on overnight to let it do this.
Afterwards she will more than likely see improved performance over OS x
10.3.
If this does not provide a solution, then the Spotlight database may be
corrupted, and she may need to rebuild it from scratch.
>- "Help" no longer works, for Mac OS or for any Apple apps.
Problems with Help are common under just about all versions of OS X. But
they are easy to fix. Have a look here for how to fix things.:
< http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25667>
< http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/helpviewer.html>
Randy B. Singer
Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions)
Routine OS X Maintenance and Generic Troubleshooting
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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dawson (apparently)
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Oct 13, 2005 12:15 pm
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Re: 10.4 vs 10.3.9
Randy B. Singer:
>If she just upgraded, she needs to allow Spotlight to have a chance to
>index her entire drive. Performance will be degraded while it is doing
>this. She may want to leave her Mac on overnight to let it do this.
>Afterwards she will more than likely see improved performance over OS x
>10.3.
The draggy performance she reports is occuring well after Spotlight
has finished its initial indexing, like 10 days later.
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Re: 10.4 vs 10.3.9
Keith Dawson said:
>The draggy performance she reports is occuring well after Spotlight
>has finished its initial indexing, like 10 days later.
Run Activity Monitor, and check for percentage of CPU used, and see what
is running that is causing a slowdown. "mds" and "mdimport" are Spotlight
processes. If they are what is causing the slowdown, Spotlight probably
has a corrupted database.
To fix this, Open System Preferences, choose the Spotlight panel, click
on the Privacy tab, and drag your main drive's icon into the Privacy
window. Now drag your drive's icon out of the Privacy window and back
out onto the desktop. This will cause the Spotlight database to be
deleted and automatically rebuilt. (You won't be able to use Spotlight
while its database is being rebuilt.).
After doing this, leave your Mac on for 24 hours and allow Spotlight to
index your entire drive uninterrupted.
Randy B. Singer
Co-Author of: The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th and 6th editions)
Routine OS X Maintenance and Generic Troubleshooting
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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bitreader (apparently)
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Oct 13, 2005 12:15 pm
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Re: 10.4 vs 10.3.9
On 10/12/05 at 10:24 AM, rdh  rhen.com (Roger Henriques) wrote:
>Just for background, my mini shipped with 10.39, plus 10.4 disc in
>the box, and ran fine in 10.39 before I upgraded, although I too am
>thinking of reverting to Panther - unless someone can tell me how
>to disable Spotlight and Dashboard, and get the old version of Mail
>to work...
Disabling Dashboard can be done in the terminal with
defaults write com.apple.dashboard mcx-disabled -boolean YES
then doing
killall Dock
to make it take effect.
Disabling Spotlight indexing on any volume can be done in the terminal with
sudo -i off /Volumes/volumename
and
sudo -E /Volumes/volumename
to delete the local index for volumename
As far as Mail, I've no idea since I've never used Mail. My preference is for Mailsmith.
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Chris Pepper (apparently)
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Oct 13, 2005 12:15 pm
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Re: 10.4 vs 10.3.9
At 10:24 AM -0700 2005/10/12, Roger Henriques wrote:
>On Oct 12, 2005, at 10:52 AM, John Wilson wrote:
>
>>It's doubtful that your mini will run any OS prior to 10.4
>>if that's what shipped with it. As a quick test, see if the mini will
>>boot from one of your 10.4 install disks. If it won't, there's your
>>answer.
>
>Just for background, my mini shipped with 10.39, plus 10.4 disc in
>the box, and ran fine in 10.39 before I upgraded, although I too am
>thinking of reverting to Panther - unless someone can tell me how to
>disable Spotlight and Dashboard, and get the old version of Mail to
>work...
Quit Dashboard, drag it out of the Dock, and use System
Preferences to tell Spotlight to ignore everything (privacy).
Try restoring /Applications/Mail.app (under another name)
from a backup.
Chris
--
Chris Pepper: < http://www.reppep.com/~pepper/>
Rockefeller University: < http://www.rockefeller.edu/>
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jwblist (apparently)
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Oct 13, 2005 3:46 pm
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Re: 10.4 vs 10.3.9
I have no intention of switching back to Panther from Tiger on either
of my machines (Dual 533 G4, and semi-original Mini). That is, the
Mini had 10.3.7 or so installed and the Tiger upgrade CD in the
box...really original Mini had coupon in the box for Tiger.
I don't use Dashboard much, but now and then it's handy (mostly I use
the downloaded widget which attempts to give the location of an IP
address, and now and then one of the others).
I'm getting to like Spotlight, with my major remaining problem being
its foolishness about remembering not to index volumes whose disk is
only attached intermittently. Either MacCentral or MacIntouch
published a quick review of a nice-looking third party solution to
that, which I may still try.
The G4 is faster at some things than it was with Panther, and I
haven't found anything that it is slower at. That's subjective: no
timings have been done here. I didn't use Panther on the Mini long
enough to form an opinion.
Tiger's Mail has some annoyances, but so did Panther's. I'd really
like to be able to attach an image as content-disposition: attachment
instead of the content-disposition: inline Mail insists upon. On the
other hand, I like the "slideshow" feature when there are image MIME
parts in an incoming message. Every email client I've ever used has
annoyances (I haven't yet learned how to make Thunderbird quote only
part of an incoming message short of editing the unwanted parts out,
for instance).
The Mini which is the center of this thread will very likely run a
recent Panther despite having shipped with Tiger (the next update to
the Mini very likely won't). But if one has an original Panther CD
to work from, *that* might well not work, since lots happened between
10.3.0 and the 10.3.7 that came with my Mini. Downgrading might
involve finding someone from whom to (illegally, of course) borrow a
Panther restore disk that came with an early Mini.
--John
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dano (apparently)
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Oct 13, 2005 11:09 pm
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At 3:46 PM -0700 10/13/05, John Baxter wrote:
>I have no intention of switching back to Panther from Tiger on either
>of my machines
Same here on my machines at home and at work. Actually, one of the
home machines is about to be transmogrified into YDL 4.0 and its Mac
role replaced with the new PowerBook that was not announced
yesterday. :-)
Having watched enough reportage of it here and elsewhere, I'm ready
to let it (10.4) into userland at work too. We have a few
self-installers (those who buy it in the first hour or two and have
it on their machines before they come into work the next day) and
they make a nice group of beta-testers.
Image testing is nearly complete, and we'll be issuing iMacs,
PowerBooks and especially top-end PowerMacs soon with 10.4.2. We have
discovered that the current PowerBooks and PowerMacs will still run
10.3.9, but the iMacs require 10.4.
>I don't use Dashboard much, but now and then it's handy (mostly I use
>the downloaded widget which attempts to give the location of an IP
>address, and now and then one of the others).
I pondered over disabling it for our image, but will let it stay. For
now, anyway.
>I'm getting to like Spotlight, with my major remaining problem being
>its foolishness about remembering not to index volumes whose disk is
>only attached intermittently. Either MacCentral or MacIntouch
>published a quick review of a nice-looking third party solution to
>that, which I may still try.
This index business reminds me of the abortive attempt Apple made
circa 1996-97 at search indices. The files generated got big fast,
and caused the machines to slow down and really crap out on backups.
Much has changed since then though, so I'm not too worried about it.
>The G4 is faster at some things than it was with Panther, and I
>haven't found anything that it is slower at. That's subjective: no
>timings have been done here.
Again, same here (anecdotal evidence). I haven't timed anything, but
it seems faster on the various platforms I've run it on in comparison
to 10.3.9. (With the exception of Mail.)
>Tiger's Mail has some annoyances, but so did Panther's.
I'm interested in seeing its longer-term existence in an Exchange
server environment.
One thing I am really looking forward to is experimenting with Xgrid
to see if we can get supercomputer modeling at night by leaching off
spare CPU cycles. This could be really cool and make some people
really enthused.
We're also interested in whether the built-in IPsec client is
improved in 10.4.3, and whether it gets better faster than the Cisco
4.7. Also interested in the ongoing improvements in the Active
Directory plug-in in Directory Access and how much improvement it
gets.
And on the topic of directory services, a new competitor has appeared
in the "connect OS X to Microsoft Active Directory" space, to compete
against the native plug-in, ExtremeZ-IP and ADmit-Mac.
A company called Centrify makes a product called Direct Control that
is supposed to provide good and reliable AD access for *nix,
including OSX. It's a new Silicon Valley start up which doesn't give
me confidence, but it seems to have design input from the former
product manager of Netscape's iPlanet directory server which is a
good thing. And he should know a thing or two about dealing with
Microsoft as well as with directory services.
I'm looking forward to learning more about this.
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benr (apparently)
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Oct 16, 2005 1:39 pm
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Re: 10.4 vs 10.3.9
I've recently downgraded to Panther a mini that came pre-installed with Tiger,
and it worked fine.
It would only do an "archive and install" (though whether there's any
mechanism for un-archiving, I've never established). One snag that stumped me
for while - I don't know if it was a one-off glitch, or whether it will always
do this: the process maintained the user accounts fine - but changed the
passwords on them, to who knows what? I had two accounts on the mini; one had
a blank password, the other had a real password; after downgrading, I couldn't
log-in as either, in all cases the password was rejected. Fortunately
(Google is my friend) it turns out to be very easy to reset passwords (boot
off any OS X installer disk, choose your language, then select Reset Passwords
from the Utility menu).
The only thing to watch out for is that downgrading leaves you running some
Tiger apps on Panther; and some of the Tiger ones require framework bits that
aren't in Panther. So for example, iTunes was fine, as was Mail; but Safari
was broken, as was Apple System Profiler. (The corollary to note is that if
you're aim in downgrading was partly to get back to earlier versions of these
apps, as well as the earlier OS, you won't necessarily achieve that.) I'm not
sure what you'd do if you wanted to get hold of Panther-era versions of these
apps.
Note that I used a Panther disk that had come with an earlier mini. Whether a
separately-sold boxed edition of Panther would work I don't know - my
assumption is that if it was a late version it would, an early one not. (I'd
be very interested to know; if possibly I'd like to buy a proper boxed Panther
that could be used for this mini, rather than sharing the disk from the other
one.)
Hope this helps,
Ben
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Oct 16, 2005 1:39 pm
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10.4 vs 10.3.9 - Update
Thank you everyone for your advice/suggestions,
Here is what I have tried so far and what worked and what didn't On 12/10/2005, at 4:13 PM, John Wilson wrote: Hi Jason. It's doubtful that your mini will run any OS prior to 10.4 if that's what shipped with it. As a quick test, see if the mini will boot from one of your 10.4 install disks. If it won't, there's your answer. John Thank you to all those that suggested this, was an interesting
experiment. First I tried booting off the 10.3.0 Volume install CD,
no go, just came up with a rather interesting looking Apple Logo.
Next I tried and 10.4 CD that came with a G5, this time it booted but
came back with an error saying "This software cannot be installed on
this computer" On 13/10/2005, at 6:24 AM, Roger Henriques wrote: Just for background, my mini shipped with 10.39, plus 10.4 disc in the box, and ran fine in 10.39 before I upgraded Okay, looks like I need 10.3.9 to make the Mini work. Took the
firewire drive (which already had an installation of 10.3.0 on it)
put it on the G3 and upgraded it to 10.3.9, plugged it into the Mini
and told it to boot off it, and it booted. So far so good. Tried
running all the 10.4 applications from the Mini's internal hard
drive, with mixed results.
iMovie HD ran fine.
iDVD HD ran, but whined about not having the right super drive
(I have an external one which wasn't plugged in)
Mail 2.0 wouldn't run, wouldn't even try to run. After clicking
on the icon in the applications folder it appears briefly in the dock
and then disappears again, without even so much as the "submit bug
report to apple" window. Bother, I don't particularly want to loose
all of the e-mail that I have received since upgrading to 10.4.
After rebooting into 10.4 I dumped iCal 2.0 onto a server,
deleted the application (had to log out and back in because
iCalAlarmScheduler was still running and wouldn't allow me to delete
iCal) and then pulled iCal 1.5.5 off the firewire drive, dumped it in
the applications folder, ejected the firewire drive (just in case)
and tried to run iCal. It performed in the same way that Mail 2.0
had under 10.3.9 On 13/10/2005, at 3:52 AM, David Shepherdson wrote: As I understand it, the ripple effect is only displayed when the Mac's graphics card supports Core Video -- and the Mac mini graphics card isn't up to it. (This makes the mini less attractive as a 'media centre' machine.) Bother, I like the ripple effect.
I haven't had any problems with the mini running as a "media
centre" machine. It plays fullscreen DivX movies (by full screen I
mean hooked up to a 21inch TV using the optional adaptor) fine, even
with a whole selection of other applications open in the background.
(although my old generation 1 Xbox can also play full screen DivX
movies so maybe this doesn't involve much computing power) You can set up other ways of activating Dashboard -- by default, the F12 key will do this. You can remove the Dashboard icon from the Dock, too, to reclaim some screen space. Done, and done. Maybe dashboard is not so useless afterall.
Although I still haven't found any widgets that I would consider to
be all that useful. Now if dashboard was available under windows XP
I can think of several widgets that I would install at the drop of a
hat. If you're into configurability and hacking, I suggest <http:// www.macosxhints.com>. All sorts of interesting things crop up there! Have had a look here, looks very interesting indeed. So it looks like I am going to be stuck using 10.4 and will have
to adapt to the things that I don't like about it Thanks again Jason
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Tony Meyer (apparently)
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Oct 18, 2005 7:49 am
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Re: 10.4 vs 10.3.9
[Very brief aside - let's stick to the topic... -Adam]
> Now if dashboard was available under Windows XP I can think of several
> widgets that I would install at the drop of a hat.
Dashboard isn't (even in the Vista previews, from what I've heard),
but Konfabulator is.
< http://www.konfabulator.com>
Functionality is pretty similar, although you can have widgets both
on the hidden 'Konposé' layer (Setting this to appear with F12 didn't
work for me, so I used F10 instead) and also visible with everything
else.
=Tony.Meyer
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Vu Tien Khang
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Mar 27, 2006 8:23 am
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Re: 10.4 vs 10.3.9
My wife had the same experience with Tiger as Jason.
She's asking me to revert our G4 Dual-2 GHz back to Panther.
We are on Tiger for more than one month now. Since the beginning:
- Mail 2 is losing mail folders at random: they disappear and reappear
- Emails in Mail 2 lose their attachments when there is more than 4
of them (mainly small photos sent the family, 50 K each)
- Spinning Ball of Death every time we try to attach a small photo to
a mail, or when we open an original in PhotoShop to reduce it
I traced down her problems to 2 main culprits
- spotlight: I disabled it in hostconfig
- mail 2: seems to be a badly written piece of code
Maybe a 3rd culprit: myself ? :-)
did I do something wrong when importing the old mails, to screw up
Mail 2 database ?
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Vu Tien Khang, Luxembourg
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ljPalmer (apparently)
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Mar 27, 2006 11:55 pm
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Re: 10.4 vs 10.3.9
On Mar 27, 2006, at 07:23, Vu Tien Khang wrote:
> We are on Tiger for more than one month now. Since the beginning:
> - Mail 2 is losing mail folders at random: they disappear and reappear
> - Emails in Mail 2 lose their attachments when there is more than 4
> of them (mainly small photos sent the family, 50 K each)
> - Spinning Ball of Death every time we try to attach a small photo to
> a mail, or when we open an original in PhotoShop to reduce it
First verify that you don't have any mail bundles left over from
Panther. They may be incompatible with Tiger and Mail 2.
Second, use /Applications/Utilities/Disk\ Utility to repair
permissions on your System hard drive and then reinstall the latest
Tiger Combo Update.
Good Luck.
..lj
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Lewis Butler (apparently)
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Mar 27, 2006 11:55 pm
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Re: 10.4 vs 10.3.9
On 27 Mar 2006, at 08:23 , Vu Tien Khang wrote:
> My wife had the same experience with Tiger as Jason.
> She's asking me to revert our G4 Dual-2 GHz back to Panther.
I have an old G4 Gigabit ethernet machine and I run Tiger (I also
have a mini, ibook and G4 iMac running Tiger and an old G3 running
panther). I've never seen ANY of these problems. Mail.app has some
things about it I like a lot less than the previous version, but
speed is not one of those problems.<1> I regularly get emails with
multiple attachments (usually in the 20-30 range) and haven't had
Mail lose any of them. And even on this ancient system, attaching
photos is straight forward and fast (enough). I don't use photoshop,
but I do use Mail.app to reduce the size of pictures (or iPhoto if
the pictures are from there)
I think if I were you I would start over with a clean system and add
things to it slowly. This doesn't sound to me like a Tiger problem,
but rather something unique to your system and configuration.
One thing you might try is creating a new user and seeing if the
problems persist.
<1> My biggest complaint is that "entire message" doesn't mean entire
message, it means Entire Body, so I can't, for example, search for
specific SpamAssassin rules in the X-Spam-Status header.
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If it wasn't for the pirates, I bet Star Wars: Ep III would have made
$50 million its first DAY!
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