WebObjects as CMS?

>Has anyone heard of anyone using webobjects as a content management
>system for a magazine/newspaper? I know that it's used in iTunes and for
>the Apple store, but I've yet to hear of anyone using it for running a
>web site such as BBC online or the New York Times?

<http://www.precor.com>
<http://www.boxofficetickets.com>
<http://www.ienonline.com/>
<http://www.naruhodo.com/>
<http://www.sasquatchbooks.com>
<http://www.managingautomation.com/>

Just a few of the sites I know for sure are running WO for at least
some portion of their web presence (and I know this because they are
colocated in our datacenter.)

We use a WO-based trouble ticket system (the stellar "Web Help Desk"
by MacsDesign Studio <http://www.webhelpdesk.com>)
<http://helpdesk.forest.net/helpdesk/WebObjects/Helpdesk>

That said, I haven't seen a WO-based CMS yet, but I don't doubt that
one exists.

WebObjects seems to be the red-headed stepchild of the Apple/NeXT
merger. I wish it would get some more momentum and support from
Apple, as it is an amazing technology.


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On 8/4/05, Paul Guinnessy <pkgmac.com> wrote:
> Has anyone heard of anyone using webobjects as a content management
> system for a magazine/newspaper? I know that it's used in iTunes and for
> the Apple store, but I've yet to hear of anyone using it for running a
> web site such as BBC online or the New York Times?

I know you said you had a bad experience with Zope, sounds like you
had some bum developers but there are a number of good solutions
running on top of Zope. There are a number of big sites running under
the Plone CMS and uou might check out Silva from Infrae, which is
another CMS geared specifically to documentation management.

http://www.plone.org
http://www.infrae.com/products/silva

Christopher Appell
European Market
FreeRecruiting.com

On Thursday, August 4, 2005, at 01:47 PM, Paul Guinnessy wrote:

> Has anyone heard of anyone using webobjects as a content management
> system for a magazine/newspaper? I know that it's used in iTunes and
> for
> the Apple store, but I've yet to hear of anyone using it for running a
> web site such as BBC online or the New York Times?

Disney uses Webobjects for its bookings for hotels, cruises and resorts:

http://dlr.reservations.disney.go.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/TravelDLIBC/

You can find some good case studies at the Apple site, like this one
for content management of large scale sites:

http://www.apple.com/itpro/profiles/la/ (an online news and local guide
site)

http://www.apple.com/education/hed/macsinaction/toyota/

I also make a point of clicking at the Breast Cancer, World Hunger,
Animal Rescue, etc., sites, all of are commerce and advertising sites
that are loaded with rapidly changing content. They've got "webobjects"
in the url:

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites.woa/282/
wa/
gotoSite?destSite=BreastCancerSite&origin=thstab&wosid=785000iv800gu100U
3&revisionCode=ON_THS_BCS_Tab

You can order tickets online or set up a ticket sales program for a
theater via Box Office Tickets, which uses Webobjects:

https://secure.boxofficetickets.com/800-494-TIXS/WebObjects/BOTx.woa/
wa/default

If my memory serves me correctly, at one time both the BBC News site
and the NY Times used Webobjects, but I can't see that from doing
searches or clicking around the sites. They could have changed, or I
could just be wrong. But I do know that they at least used, and maybe
still use (probably the NYT does, which is a Mac oriented company -
even the business people use Macs) Webobjects for workflow.

A number of universities, including the U of Arizona, use Webobjects:

http://uanews.opi.arizona.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/UANews

I remember reading that for quite some time, Dell used Webobjects to
run their online store, but switched to ASP after pressure from
Microsoft, but I could be wrong about this.

>
> In a related matter, any recommendations for a CMS that can link into
> eRights (an oracle based authorization system) so that some content is
> only available to subscribers? Unforuntely our budget is pretty tight,
> which rules out many of the usual suspects (documentum for example).
>
> I have looked at Zope but conisdering how long it took to get it into
> shape for an article tracking system (1.5 years instead of the 8 weeks
> we were quoted by our consultants), we may want to look elsewhere.
>

I've heard good things about Mambo; some versions are open source.
However, these glowing reports were from people who didn't have
e-commmerce or content served on the same level as Disney, the NYT or
the BBC:

http://www.miro.com.au/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=236&op=page

http://www.mamboserver.com/

Marilyn

Free and Open source CMS like Mambo and Drupal are the most popular and growing and well supported. Webojects may be a good one but getting resources and making it to work is not for common man.
- -- --- Mohan
Coimbatore City