X11 and pre-installed copies of Tiger

Another solution is, during Tiger install or upgrade, to choose a custom
install and check the optional "X11" package. It's there; it just doesn't
get installed by default.

Cheers
  -- perry

--On Friday, May 20, 2005 9:28 AM -0700 "d.wiltschko"
<d.wiltschkotamu.edu> wrote:
> Solution. Pull out the PowerBook G4 Mac OS X Install Disc 1, scoll down,
> and double click on the 'Optional Installs' package. Go through a couple
> of screens, open 'Applications' by toggling the down arrow and then
> choose X11. Everthing else is already installed and will turn to
> 'Upgrade' rather than 'Install' if you select it. Punch the installer and
> you've got it.



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On 21/5/2005 4:28 AM, "d.wiltschko" <d.wiltschkotamu.edu> spake thus:

> Turns out that 'X11 comes will every copy of Tiger'. It would be nice to
> have a note on Apple's website somewhere that tells us where it is!

It might be in /Applications/Installers. I had the same problem with Xcode
when I upgraded to Panther. I was rummaging around trying to find CDs when I
happened to notice it in the Applications folder.

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On or about 5/20/05 9:28 AM, thus spake "d.wiltschko"
<d.wiltschkotamu.edu>:

> To save others some frustration...
> I received a new PowerBook G4 loaded with Tiger. Being a science guy, I
> proceded to set it up to use all my X11 applications to and from various other
> Unix machines in the world. Problem is, X11 was nowhere to be found.
>
> Trip to the Apple web site, where X11 used to be available for download. Part
> of this is my ignorance, but X11 is no where to be found there either,
> despite lots of (dead) links to the contrary. Turns out that 'X11 comes will
> every copy of Tiger'. It would be nice to have a note on Apple's website
> somewhere that tells us where it is!
>
> Solution. Pull out the PowerBook G4 Mac OS X Install Disc 1, scoll down, and
> double click on the 'Optional Installs' package. Go through a couple of
> screens, open 'Applications' by toggling the down arrow and then choose X11.
> Everthing else is already installed and will turn to 'Upgrade' rather than
> 'Install' if you select it. Punch the installer and you've got it.

And if you had read a Take Control book - either Joe's "Upgrading to Tiger"
or my "Customizing Tiger" - you would have known this, and you could have
avoided all that wasted time and frustration. :-) m.

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How is X11 working for you folks? My only X11 application (tystudio) is not working properly after my upgrade to Tiger, a similirly UNIXy application (stop me if I am getting too technical here) ffmpeg, will not install properly and I wondered if the problems were related.

Anndra wrote:
> How is X11 working for you folks? My only X11 application (tystudio) is
> not working properly after my upgrade to Tiger, a similirly UNIXy
> application (stop me if I am getting too technical here) ffmpeg, will
> not install properly and I wondered if the problems were related.

No problems here. My usual X11 desktop is a few xterms, and I'm in and
out of X11 aware emacs, gnuplot, and PGPLOT all day. I occasionally run
a remote Firefox using X11 over the network. I haven't had any problems
at all in Tiger with X11.

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<DIV><DIV>On May 24, 2005,
at 1:26 PM, Anndra wrote:</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">How is X11
working for you folks? My only X11 application (tystudio) is not working
properly after my upgrade to Tiger, a similirly UNIXy application (stop
me if I am getting too technical here) ffmpeg, will not install properly
and I wondered if the problems were related.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><DIV>I use Fink for my X11 stuff. GnuCash
broke for me, which was quite distressing, I assure you. I posted a
question on MacOSXHints.com and=A0received the following from a person
who closely follows X11 on the Mac:</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>(quote)Gnucash is a
gnome1.4 app, and unfortunately, some of the gnome 1.x libraries do not
yet work on Tiger. The package maintainer mentioned at the fink-users
mailing list that gnucash will remain broken on Tiger for at least a
month.(end quote)</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV>I
don't know if the broken libraries are what's causing you grief or not
as I am not familiar with them.<DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>Don</DIV></DIV><BR></DIV>

Maybe recompiling under Tiger is in order? After using the Take Control book to guide me through the upgrade (highly recommended) any of my fink and X11 apps that I would launch would misbehave. The fink site basically recommends wiping the /sw directory clean, download and compiling the latest fink tarball and starting over. After doing so my apps are working as they were under Panther (although the Tiger stable tree at fink has a ways to go before it is as full as the Panther stable tree) If you only have one app, that shouldn’t be too bad?

At 12:52 PM -0700 2005/05/24, Paul Schinder wrote:
>Anndra wrote:
>> How is X11 working for you folks? My only X11 application (tystudio) is
>> not working properly after my upgrade to Tiger, a similirly UNIXy
>> application (stop me if I am getting too technical here) ffmpeg, will
>> not install properly and I wondered if the problems were related.
>
>No problems here. My usual X11 desktop is a few xterms, and I'm in and
>out of X11 aware emacs, gnuplot, and PGPLOT all day. I occasionally run
>a remote Firefox using X11 over the network. I haven't had any problems
>at all in Tiger with X11.

        I don't use X11 that much, so hadn't immediately noticed, but
redhat-config-users & IBM's RaidMan.sh (which runs a Java program)
both fail differently under Tiger; RaidMan at least worked under
Panther. Also, smc (Sun Management Center in Solaris 10) doesn't
display a usable window.


                                                Chris Pepper
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Chris Pepper wrote:
> At 12:52 PM -0700 2005/05/24, Paul Schinder wrote:
>
>> Anndra wrote:
>>
>>> How is X11 working for you folks? My only X11 application (tystudio) is
>>> not working properly after my upgrade to Tiger, a similirly UNIXy
>>> application (stop me if I am getting too technical here) ffmpeg, will
>>> not install properly and I wondered if the problems were related.
>>
>>
>> No problems here. My usual X11 desktop is a few xterms, and I'm in and
>> out of X11 aware emacs, gnuplot, and PGPLOT all day. I occasionally run
>> a remote Firefox using X11 over the network. I haven't had any problems
>> at all in Tiger with X11.
>
>
> I don't use X11 that much, so hadn't immediately noticed, but
> redhat-config-users & IBM's RaidMan.sh (which runs a Java program) both
> fail differently under Tiger; RaidMan at least worked under Panther.
> Also, smc (Sun Management Center in Solaris 10) doesn't display a usable
> window.
>

Yes, I spoke too soon. Last night I needed to use a program that uses
X11, and the need was time critical. To my horror, when I tried to
start it up under Tiger, I got an

X Error of failed request:
BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request: 20 (X_GetProperty)
  Atom id in failed request: 0x120
  Serial number of failed request: 12
  Current serial number in output stream: 12

Fortunately, my wife's iBook still runs Panther, so I used it and logged
into my G5 and ran the program that way. I also later made sure that my
original iBook running Yellow Dog Linux 4 could also handle the X11
parts of the program over the network.

And now that you mention it, I did once try to run Red Hat's up2date and
it failed with X11 errors. (I usually use up2date-nox anyway, so this
isn't much of a problem.) So clearly there's something wrong with X11
under Tiger.

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Paul Schinder wrote:

> And now that you mention it, I did once try to run Red Hat's up2date and
> it failed with X11 errors. (I usually use up2date-nox anyway, so this
> isn't much of a problem.) So clearly there's something wrong with X11
> under Tiger.

Out of curiosity, how are you forwarding the sessions? If it's ssh, have
you tried ssh -Y instead of ssh -X?

Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
> Paul Schinder wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, how are you forwarding the sessions? If it's ssh, have
> you tried ssh -Y instead of ssh -X?
>

By default, it's whatever "ForwardX11 yes" does in the /etc/ssh_config,
which I think is -X. I just tried "ssh -Y" to a Red Hat Enterprise
Linux WS 3 machine, and I was able to run up2date on it without
complaints! Fortunately, I have partial source for the Cassini science
planning program I was running last night, and I just changed all the
"-X" to "-Y" in the expect script where it establishes a link to a
remote machine and where it was croaking last night. That worked too,
and I'm back in business on my G5 and PBG4 (another victory for having
the source)!

So thanks very much!

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Paul Schinder wrote:

> By default, it's whatever "ForwardX11 yes" does in the /etc/ssh_config,
> which I think is -X. I just tried "ssh -Y" to a Red Hat Enterprise
> Linux WS 3 machine, and I was able to run up2date on it without
> complaints! Fortunately, I have partial source for the Cassini science
> planning program I was running last night, and I just changed all the
> "-X" to "-Y" in the expect script where it establishes a link to a
> remote machine and where it was croaking last night. That worked too,
> and I'm back in business on my G5 and PBG4 (another victory for having
> the source)!

No need to change all that; look up "ForwardX11Trusted" in the
ssh_config manpage.

Anthony DeRobertis wrote:

>
> No need to change all that; look up "ForwardX11Trusted" in the
> ssh_config manpage.
>
I thought command line switches overrode configuration file options, and
this expect script starts up with "ssh -X ...". Its only a few lines,
and its changed now. But I will do that in my ssh_config, since I only
connect to machines I trust.

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Here's another little X11 bug, this time only affecting my G5:

g5% xterm -title "This is a test" -e sh
/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm: bad command line option "is"

(followed by a long usage message).

On my Powerbook G4, this works as expected (the xterm pops up running bash).

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>Here's another little X11 bug, this time only affecting my G5:
>
>g5% xterm -title "This is a test" -e sh
>/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm: bad command line option "is"
>
>(followed by a long usage message).
>
>On my Powerbook G4, this works as expected (the xterm pops up running
>bash).

I suspect you have a script or alias on the G5 for xterm which is broken.
A default bash installation will not pass full pathnames to xterm, so the
error message should say just "xterm: bad command line option..."

What does 'type xterm' display on the G5? If it's anything other than

  xterm is /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm

then there's some other software involved.

-- Anton

Anton Rang wrote:
>>Here's another little X11 bug, this time only affecting my G5:
>>
>>g5% xterm -title "This is a test" -e sh
>>/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm: bad command line option "is"
>>
>>(followed by a long usage message).
>>
>>On my Powerbook G4, this works as expected (the xterm pops up running
>>bash).
>
>
> I suspect you have a script or alias on the G5 for xterm which is broken.
> A default bash installation will not pass full pathnames to xterm, so the
> error message should say just "xterm: bad command line option..."
>
> What does 'type xterm' display on the G5? If it's anything other than
>
> xterm is /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm
>
> then there's some other software involved.

Yes, I realized that this morning. It looked an awful lot like a shell
was being run again on the arguments, stripping the quotes, but I
couldn't understand why xterm would do that. But I had to put an xterm
script in my path on my G5 (and then forgot about it) to protect
/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm from complaining and dying from my default
DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH. Once I realized that, I read the bash man page and
saw that I should be using "$" instead of $* to pass arguements onward
to /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm. Because I did a complete wipe and install on
my Powerbook, the problem doesn't arise there because I didn't reinstall
everything on it.

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