Mounting an Mac OS 9 network volume in Tiger

On 6 May 2005, at 23:37, Arthur Evans Jr wrote:

> I read somewhere (and have lost the reference) about problems
> mounting a Mac running Mac OS 9. Has any TidBITS reader more
> information, or experience one way or the other?

Appletalk has changed with Tiger, this may be what you are referring to.

Try http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301183 for more
information.

Chris. T.

--On May 6, 2005 3:37:21 PM -0700 Arthur Evans Jr <evanssl21earthlink.net>
wrote:

> I read somewhere (and have lost the reference) about problems mounting a
> Mac running Mac OS 9. Has any TidBITS reader more information, or
> experience one way or the other?

I've seen references on MacInTouch that pure AppleTalk has been removed
from Tiger and you can no longer mount drives from servers running older
Mac OS's. AppleShare over IP still works (I use this to mount drives
from my Linux servers and have no problems with it.) I believe Mac OS 9
supports sharing over AppleShare over TCP/IP but older systems don't.

<http://www.macintouch.com/tigerreview/incompatibility.html>

Search for AppleTalk on that page.


[Apple started including support for AppleShare over IP with Mac OS 9, but older systems could use ShareWay IP from Open Door Networks. Apple licensed their code for Mac OS 9. -Adam]

<http://www.opendoor.com/shareway/>


Kevin

If I'm sharing files with an old 8.0 machine over an ethernet cable and I upgrade my OS X machine to Tiger, what are my options as far as AppleTalk file sharing goes? This has been discontinued - *for no good reason* - right?

[Well, yes, there was undoubtedly a reason, and likely a good one, such as the cost and effort of continuing to support AppleShare over AppleTalk indefinitely, when the world has moved to TCP/IP long ago. As I posted in another message, the answer is ShareWay IP from Open Door Networks; I believe it's still for sale for $40. -Adam ]

<http://www.opendoor.com/shareway/>

On May 6, 2005, at 3:37 PM, Arthur Evans Jr wrote:
> I read somewhere (and have lost the reference) about problems
> mounting a Mac running Mac OS 9. Has any TidBITS reader more
> information,
> or experience one way or the other?

Apple has been phasing out AppleTalk support on Mac OS X…

In Tiger, they removed AFP over AppleTalk, meaning that you can only
connect to an AppleTalk server over TCP/IP.

A Mac OS 9/8 box can connect to a Tiger box.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301183

Cap'n Hector

At 6:31 PM -0700 5/9/05, Titterington Family wrote:
>Appletalk has changed with Tiger, this may be what you are referring to.
>
>Try http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301183 for more
>information.

More to the point, Apple*Talk* isn't (apparently) included in Tiger.
Tiger's Apple File Protocol (aka AppleShare) only works over IP. Running
AFP over TCP/IP came in AFP 3.0 (aka AppleShare IP 5.0); Tiger has AFP 3.1,
which adds things like Unicode. (Although I won't swear that 3.1 didn't come
earlier.)

Macs running 7.6 and later can run the AppleShare Client 3.8.3, which
in turn requires OpenTransport. Any Mac with this client can connect
to an AFP 3.0 server (such as AppleShare IP or OS 9 with IP File
Sharing, or a Mac with ShareWay IP, or an OS X client or Server
machine).
        http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58360

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Andrew Laurence
atlaurenuci.edu

At 8:26 AM -0700 5/10/05, Andrew Laurence wrote:
>More to the point, Apple*Talk* isn't (apparently) included in Tiger.

That appears to be the case.
Tiger doesn't even support AppleTalk printers, as far as I can tell.
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On 5/10/05 8:26 AM, "Andrew Laurence" <atlaurenes.nacs.uci.edu> wrote:

> More to the point, Apple*Talk* isn't (apparently) included in Tiger.
> Tiger's Apple File Protocol (aka AppleShare) only works over IP. Running
> AFP over TCP/IP came in AFP 3.0 (aka AppleShare IP 5.0); Tiger has AFP 3.1,
> which adds things like Unicode. (Although I won't swear that 3.1 didn't come
> earlier.)

It appears that Apple wanted to drop AppleTalk support at Mac OS X 10.0
time, but found it not feasible then. That would, rather amusingly, have
left Microsoft supporting AppleTalk after Apple stopped doing so.

Look on the bright side...one will no longer have to search out the
ever-decreasing collection of routers which support AppleTalk, when buying
routers.

  --John
  

On 5/10/05 at 8:59 PM, marshallidio.com (Marshall Clow) wrote:
>At 8:26 AM -0700 5/10/05, Andrew Laurence wrote:
>>More to the point, Apple*Talk* isn't (apparently) included in Tiger.
>
>That appears to be the case.
>Tiger doesn't even support AppleTalk printers, as far as I can tell.

Printing works fine here ... the default printer browser even appears to
include AppleTalk.

It seems that support for AFP over AppleTalk was dropped, but it may be
more subtle -- the error message refers to an AFP version, so perhaps
it's more an issue of dropping support for the older AFP protocol?

-- Anton

At 20:59 -0700 UTC, on 2005/05/10, Marshall Clow wrote:

[...]

> Tiger doesn't even support AppleTalk printers, as far as I can tell.

I can still use my LaserWriter IIf with Tiger (through a Dayna "Mini
EtherPrint"). AFAIK this is AppleTalk.


--
Sander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/>

At 08:26 -0700 UTC, on 2005/05/10, Andrew Laurence wrote:

[...]

> More to the point, Apple*Talk* isn't (apparently) included in Tiger.

Tiger's Network prefs still has an Appletalk" tab that shows a "Make
AppleTalk active" checkbox. When I disable it, I can't print to my
LaserWriter IIf - enabled, the printer can still be used.

My impression that the thing I always thought was called "AppleShare" (file
sharing over Appletalk) is what doesn't work anymore in Tiger. Appletalk is
still available.


--
Sander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/>

On 5/10/2005 8:59 PM, "Marshall Clow" wrote:
>> More to the point, Apple*Talk* isn't (apparently) included in Tiger.
>
> That appears to be the case.
> Tiger doesn't even support AppleTalk printers, as far as I can tell.

Are your sure? I was under the impression that, like previous versions, it
just doesn't support LocalTalk printers. I.e., it still supports AppleTalk
printers over Ethernet and AirPort.

On May 10, 2005, at 11:59 PM, Marshall Clow wrote:

> Tiger doesn't even support AppleTalk printers, as far as I can tell.

I've been printing to a GCC Elite over AppleTalk with Tiger.

--Michael

I've been using an ancient LaserWriter 4/600, which is an AppleTalk printer
attached to a G3 running OS8.6 and LaserWriter Bridge(as we've had Macs from
1992, we have a fair amount of old stuff that never worked under OS9 and I'm
a firm believer in 'if it ain't broke...'. It works a treat from Panther
and I can also print to it from our PC's using PCMacLAN. It took but a
moment to get the printer going from my G5 Imac and from what I read here it
should still work a treat under Tiger.

I can also mount volumes 'both ways' from either the G5 or the G3 machine
using the Chooser. I checked the version of the Appleshare extension and it
came back with B1-3.8.3, which seems to fit in with what others have
written.

Rick
--

Hi I'm trying to connect a 4/600PS to a G4 (with MacOSX 10.4)with a twisted pair ethernet via a Farallon EtherMac iPrint Adapter. In the pane I did enable AppleTalk, but the Mac keep saying that there is no AppleTalk enabled. What do I wrong, since it works with you? Thanks

Hans

It was the cable, Dave......

The store where I bought the cross-over cable has sold me the wrong one. (It appeared that all of the cross-over cables that were in sealed plastic bags were straight ones)

With the right cable the 4/600PS works well under Tiger with the Farallon EtherMac iPrint.

I just upgraded my G4/450 from OS 10.3.9 to 10.4.1. I did a clean install on an external Firewire hard drive, so I am able to start from either OS set up. On the 10.3.9 disk, I can network with my PowerMac 8600/200, but off the 10.4.1 disk, I get "This file server uses an incompatible version of the AFP protocol. You cannot connect to it." It sees the 8600 (running OS 9.1), but it won't connect. Under 10.3.9 I can still transfer files with no problem. Any ideas on what I need to do to fix this for 10.4.1? --

Kevin Hopkins <kh2uiuc.edu> Editor of the Status Register http://www.cucug.org/sr.html

On 07/15/05 10:42 PM, "kh2" wrote:
> I just upgraded my G4/450 from OS 10.3.9 to 10.4.1. I did a clean
> install on an external Firewire hard drive, so I am able to start
> from either OS set up. On the 10.3.9 disk, I can network with my
> PowerMac 8600/200, but off the 10.4.1 disk, I get "This file server
> uses an incompatible version of the AFP protocol. You cannot connect
> to it." It sees the 8600 (running OS 9.1), but it won't connect.
> Under 10.3.9 I can still transfer files with no problem. Any ideas on
> what I need to do to fix this for 10.4.1?

Tiger (10.4.x) doesn't support Personal File Sharing via AppleTalk; it only
supports File Sharing over TCP/IP:

    Mac OS X 10.4 and later don't support Personal File Sharing
    (or other AFP) over Appletalk, though by initiating the
    connection from the opposite direction you could still achieve
    an IP connection from a Mac OS 8 computer to a sharing Mac OS
    X computer. The Network preference pane in Mac OS X 10.4 and
    later still offers the AppleTalk checkbox, but it is for
    browsing AppleTalk-advertised resources and zones. The
    subsequent connection must be over TCP/IP.

<http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106461>

I don't have an older Mac running 9.1 here to test, but I'm assuming you'll
be able to connect from the 8600 to the G4 by using the Server IP Address
button in the 8600's Chooser -- just enter your G4's IP address.

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