Sponsored in part by... Bare Bones Software Yojimbo 1.5 from Bare Bones Software: Your effortless, reliable
information organizer for Mac OS X. It will change your life,
without changing the way you work. Download the demo or buy it
today! <http://www.barebones.com/products/yojimbo/>

 [F] TidBITS  / TidBITS  / TidBITS Talk  /

Tinderbox impressions

[Nik]Nik (apparently) - 10:22am Mar 28, 2005 PST
via email

After reading the "Tinderbox Gets Smarter" bit in TidBITS the other
day, I downloaded Tinderbox's demo (for the umpteenth time) and played
around with it.

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=08022>

I keep TRYING Tinderbox, but as of yet I've been unwilling to commit
the not-inconsiderable $165 to buy the program. It's very appealing in
a down-and-dirty-scripting/programming way, just like HyperCard is (and
FileMaker as well, now that I think on it). And, just like those
programs, it's a bit of a bear to learn, and it's also proprietary and
rather difficult to migrate to/from without great effort.

My main use of Tinderbox would be as a note taking tool and a task
management program. The latter is well covered by a variety of
templates on the Tinderbox file exchange site. The former is an obvious
application of Tinderbox, but it seems in my toying with the demo that
it's rather more difficult to make notes with TB than with a normal
outliner or a program like NoteBook/NoteTaker. (If nothing else, it
takes two dialog boxes to create an outline entry with some long text
in it!)

So the payoff has to be in the intelligence, the linking, and the
variety of ways in which Tinderbox can be programmed and scripted to
make life easier.

What I'd love to hear is the impressions of any TidBITS readers who have
spent some time with Tinderbox as to whether this does pay off in the long
term, or whether Tinderbox just collects dust after an initial flurry of
interest. Particularly given the huge array of idea management tools
that have cropped up (NoteBook/Taker, DEVONThink, Hog Bay Notebook,
Curio, Z-Write, OmniOutliner, StickyBrain, Tao... and the list goes
on...), dropping $165 on just one seems a bit excessive unless it's
really the bee's knees.


[Please note that I don't want to see comparisons to other programs here. This thread is only for discussion of Tinderbox itself; otherwise it will devolve into "I don't use Tinderbox, but I like X" posts. -Adam]


The other thing I'd like to know is whether you keep using Tinderbox
for more and more things (weblogging, perhaps, or other purposes I've
never thought about) and what those might be. Certainly investing in a
swiss army knife is quite different than buying a one trick pony.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts,

Nik


Mark as Read
  OutlineAll MessagesOlder MessagesOldest MessagesNewest MessagesNewer Messages

kirklists (apparently) - Mar 28, 2005 6:26 pm (#1 Total: 2)  

Reply to this message
via email  

Photo of Author
Posts: 73
Re: Tinderbox impressions

On 3/28/05 7:22 PM, "Nik" <gerberinik.net> wrote:

> What I'd love to hear is the impressions of any TidBITS readers who have
> spent some time with Tinderbox as to whether this does pay off in the long
> term, or whether Tinderbox just collects dust after an initial flurry of
> interest.

I just couldn't get it to fit my way of thinking; or my way of thinking
doesn't fit it. Tinderbox seems to be a great program trying to find a way
to tell people about itself. If it had a good manual, maybe like a Take
Control book, then perhaps it would be more useable. But it seems like it is
more a programming environment than an application, and it needs the
appropriate documentation for anyone to figure out what it's supposed to do.
IMHO.
 
 
Kirk
 
            Author of: How to Do Everything with Mac OS X Panther
               - - - - - -
             Read my blog: Kirkville -- http://www.mcelhearn.com
          Musings, Opinion and Miscellanea, on Macs, iPods and more
      Kirk McElhearn | Chemin de la Lauze | 05600 Guillestre | France



Gordon Meyer (apparently) - Mar 28, 2005 6:26 pm (#2 Total: 2)  

Reply to this message
via email  

Photo of Author
Posts: 10
Re: Tinderbox impressions

I've been a Tinderbox user since 1.0 and find it indispensable in my
daily computer-life. I've used it for many one-off tasks, such as
outlining a presentation or making a grocery list, as well everyday
long-term projects such as my daily To-Do list and weblog
<http://www.usablehelp.com>.

Yes, it is a "swiss army knife" -- which for me means I can use it for
something quick and dirty, as well as disarming a nuclear bomb. ;-)
Like any deep application, if you want to feel that you've gotten your
money out of it, you'll need to apply yourself to learning it.

> And, just like those
> programs, it's a bit of a bear to learn, and it's also proprietary and
> rather difficult to migrate to/from without great effort.
>
I guess it depends on your definition for "great effort" -- but the
reason I adopted Tinderbox (see
<http://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox/Profiles/Meyer.html>) was for
exactly the reason that it does not hold your data hostage. Unlike so
many other programs I've tried, Tinderbox's XML ensures that you can
get your information out of it in a variety of forms using standard
tools. It will take some effort, but nothing at all like it takes to
try to migrate out of a binary format.

   --Gordon





  OutlineAll MessagesOlder MessagesOldest MessagesNewest MessagesNewer Messages


 [F] TidBITS  / TidBITS  / TidBITS Talk  / Tinderbox impressions




Add a message

To add a message to this discussion, you must be a registered user. Enter your email address below. If you have an account associated with the email address you enter, you will be prompted for your password. If not, you'll be able to create a new account with no fuss.

Enter your email address:

Submit