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I want to say goodbye to Outlook

[Weintraub, David]David Weintraub (apparently) - 06:38am Aug 23, 2008 PST
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I hate Microsoft Outlook. It is one of the worst email programs I've
ever used. It is slow, buggy and seems to violate every email
principle imaginable. The problem is if you work in the business
world, you have to use it. And, Outlook isn't just email, but is also
the company's calendar too.

I'd love to find a replacement for Outlook. Even better something that
is also Mac and Linux friendly too. However, I have not yet found a
tool that can talk to Microsoft Exchange server (except, of course for
Entourage and Outlook).

Right now, I am trying out Thunderbird. It can use IMAP to talk to the
exchange server, but I had to find out the SMTP server we use, so I
could send emails too. Thunderbird is a lot faster and easier to use
than Outlook. I can easily search my emails in seconds where Outlook
might take a few minutes. The organization of Thunderbird is also
based more on a typical email client. Unlike Outlook, it doesn't
mangle headers or mess up attachments. Filtering is easy to use too.

Unfortunately, I can't get it to read my corporate address book. I've
tried getting LDAP setup, but haven't had any success yet. I also
tried exporting my Microsoft Outlook Global address book to
Thunderbird. I was able to do it, but it took quite a bit of work.
First, I had to bring up the entire Global addressbook, export it into
my Outlook Contact list, then export the Outlook client list to a CVS
file. Then, I had to edit this CVS file using Excel to fix a few of
the fields. I can't imagine going through that on a regular basis.

For Outlook's calendar, I am using Google's calendar sync utility that
syncs outlook calendars to Gmail. Running Google desktop with the
sidebar allows me to use Google's calendar widget which shows me my
appointments. Unfortunately, this doesn't send me any reminders about
upcoming meetings. Nor, does it support all of the features the
Outlook calendar has. For example, I can't see when I setup a meeting
whether everyone is free, and I don't have that important corporate
address book.

So, does anyone have any suggestions?

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David Weintraub
qazwartgmail.com


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cmsklar (apparently) - Aug 23, 2008 2:25 pm (#1 Total: 3)  

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At 7:38 AM -0700 8/23/08, David Weintraub wrote:
>I hate Microsoft Outlook. It is one of the worst email programs I've
>ever used. It is slow, buggy and seems to violate every email
>principle imaginable.

Crappy, crappy, crappy software. The devil's spawn.

>The problem is if you work in the business world, you have to use it.

Point taken, but you overstate its omnipresence.
GroupWise is the bane where I work.

> And, Outlook isn't just email, but is also the company's calendar too.

GroupWise: email, calendar, appointments,
messaging. Maybe some other collaborative tasks
I'm blissfully ignorant of.

>I'd love to find a replacement for Outlook. Even better something that
>is also Mac and Linux friendly too.

Evolution. Comes as standard fare with most Linux
distros. Maybe check sourceforge.net for an OS X
package. Evolution homepage:
<http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/>

>However, I have not yet found a tool that can
>talk to Microsoft Exchange server (except, of
>course for Entourage and Outlook).

"Evolution includes support for Exchange
2000/2003 and GroupWise. You can configure
Evolution to act as an Exchange client or a
GroupWise clientŠ"
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Regards,
Chuck

benr (apparently) - Aug 25, 2008 2:24 am (#2 Total: 3)  

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Re: I want to say goodbye to Outlook

Slightly devil's advocate: but have you considered Entourage? Of course it's
still Bowing to The Man; but unlike the hideous Outlook, it is a pretty decent
mail program. So you could upgrade your experience, with the best shot
at/least hassle to attain compatibility; and possibly without upsetting your
company's sysadmins.

I don't use Entourage any more because I got too pissed off at the monolithic
proprietary database (which might be a lot less of an issue for you, partly
depending on how you're using IMAP); but honestly, I miss it.

- Ben


simon270 - Aug 26, 2008 2:18 am (#3 Total: 3)  

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Re: I want to say goodbye to Outlook

Can I suggest you cast your eyes yonder into the Daylite, by Marketcircle.com.

From

<http://www.marketcircle.com/daylite/>

"Daylite works at the center of your business, helping you stay on track and deliver on time. From shared calendars to simple projects, to contact management to email integration, Daylite keeps you organized and frees your mind of clutter."

As a qualifying statement, I have to say we own copies, but haven't yet gotten round to implementing it.

Cheers, Simon



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