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[Emme, David]David Emme - 06:55am Oct 21, 2004 PST

I decided to bite the bullet today, partially on TidBITS recommendation some time ago, and purchase Missing Sync (MS) for Palm OS version 4.0.1 this afternoon. I now have two problems, one serious and one wierd/bogus.

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Serious: MS comes with an app called MemoPad, which is supposed to sync with Palm memos, and thus allow the AddressBook/iCal/iSync user to get rid of Palm Desktop. My first hotsync resulted in Palm Memo categories being duplicated, and Palm memos being moved from specific categories to Unfiled. Making the obvious attempts to correct this on either the Palm or the Mac in the MemoPad app would not "stick" thru hotsyncs.

So on the Palm I deleted all categories, moving all 148 memos to Unfiled. I did a sync with Handheld Overwrites Mac, hoping to straighten MemoPad out. So far, so good. Then I created a new category on Palm, moved 3 memos to it, and synced. Now MemoPad claims I have 151 memos, even though Palm still shows 148.

This MemoPad app has the feeling of the beta of a sharware product called iMemoPad, which I tested and discarded in May of this year. My notes say:

iPalmMemo very promising, but not yet ready for prime time. Spelling correction results in a new, duplicated memo with the spelling fixed. Pasting RTF into a memo appears to work, but results in a blank memo after HotSync. The Categories Drawer gets lost and displays a memo other than the one clicked on.

Now here's where it gets serious: I removed the MemoPad conduit to the Trash and emptied the Trash, moved the Palm Memo conduit back in place (verified with Get Info that it was indeed the conduit from PalmSource Inc), and tried to resync with Palm Desktop, which still showed the correct number of memos in their correct categories. Hotsync reported no errors, but nothing happened. I have created a new memo on Palm, and another new memo in Palm Desktop, and synced. Neither new memo shows up on the other platform. So it appears that my memo syncing is now totally hosed. Not a Good Thing. (Of course, MemoPad is blind to all of this too, as expected).

Wierd/Bogus One of MS's advertized features is that it maintains your Backups folder on the Mac to be a mirror image of what's on the Palm. Specifically, when it notices a file has been removed from the Palm, it moves it to folder Backups/Archive/. This is supposed to result in allowing you to hard reset your Palm, then restore it exactly as it was (with no extra files).

I happen to have TealScript installed, since I don't like Graffiti 2. Syncing results in MS placing TealScript.prc in Backups/Archive/, even though it's alive and well on the Palm. I tried moving TealScript.prc out of Backup/Archives/ into Backup/ "where it belongs", and the next sync moved it back into Archive/. So a Palm hard reset followed by a complete restore from MS would not put the Palm back the way it wuz!

I've reported all of this to markspace/support via their Web site.

Interestingly, the automated response email I received from reporting these problems pointed me to a markspace MS discussion list, wherein I found that others had reported similar MemoPad syncing problems several weeks ago, but no fix has been forthcoming. They still took my $40, though, with no warnings of potential problems...

Caveat Emptor.

-Dave

[ Later: As it turns out, there are two Palm memo conduit files, "Memo.conduit" and "Memos.conduit". Clever naming, huh? My elementary programming class taught me not to do things like that! Anyway, by the time I attempted to re-sync my memos from Palm Desktop (see above), Memo.conduit (singular) was the only obvious choice in my Disabled Conduits folder, and it didn't work. Looking at my previous day's backup, I discovered that there also used to be a Memos.conduit (plural). So I tried syncing with that, and was able to restore my memos and categories from Palm Desktop. I'm guessing that "singular" is from the old 4K memo days, and "plural" is from the new 32K memo (Palm OS 5?). Of course it doesn't help that Finder's Get Info on both "singular" and "plural" show the same date, version, and copyright info. }


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Nik (apparently) - Oct 25, 2004 2:47 pm (#1 Total: 5)  

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Sorry you had so much trouble, Dave. As a long time Missing Sync user,
I can stand by the company's desire to do right by their customers. For
my own purposes, I use it primarily so that I can sync my CLIE at all
(using standard iSync or Palm conduits) and it does this job impeccably
well. Its newer functions (iTunes/iPhoto integration, the memo pad app)
are less reliable and in some cases outright buggy. As the complexity
of the app has grown, its reliability has diminished.

However, if you're truly unhappy, they do offer a money back guarantee,
and you can get a refund for your purchase price.

--Nik

David Emme - Oct 26, 2004 7:13 am (#2 Total: 5)  

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As an update: I'm still trying to convince Support that the Archive/Backup/ issue with TealScript.prc is, in fact, a problem. I've had no response so far to the MemoPad issue other than "try our latest beta", which fails in the same way.

If MarkSpace had a money back guarantee, as Nik suggested, they apparently don't any more. At <http://store.markspace.com/policy.html>, I found the following text:

=== Return Policy All sales of downloaded/unlocked software products are final.

The Missing Sync product line does not offer a demo of the product. For pre-purchase questions regarding The Missing Sync product line, please join the product mailing list to discuss the product with other Missing Sync customers, read the product reviews or contact salesmarkspace.com. ===

-Dave

Ashish Ranpura (apparently) - Oct 29, 2004 7:41 am (#3 Total: 5)  

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I've also had a love-hate relationship with Missing Sync. After
wrestling for hours with HotSync and the Palm Desktop, though, it's a
welcome relief to have a program that actually works in a Mac OS X
environment. Mark/Space customer service alone is worth much of the
purchase price.

That said, I really *hate* the Missing Sync Memo Pad application!
Features which seem basic are missing (like being able to save a memo
as a text file), the application crashes with large memos, and as
others have mentioned, synchronization is flaky at best.

Since my m505 days, I've used Mac Notetaker, a small program which
creates and syncs memos as normal text files. This has you a bunch of
advantages: no weird size limits on memos, the ability to organize
memos in Finder, the ability to search all memos in BBEdit, and the
ability to bring up any individual memo by name in LaunchBar. The
source code of Mac Notetaker is freely available, so those of you who
have more specific needs can tweak away at it. I use a Tungsten T3 now,
and use CodeDiver to enable HiRes+ display in Notetaker. Memo bliss!

---Ashish Ranpura.
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Khoi Vinh (apparently) - Nov 2, 2004 9:35 am (#4 Total: 5)  

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> I've also had a love-hate relationship with Missing Sync. After
> wrestling for hours with HotSync and the Palm Desktop, though, it's a
> welcome relief to have a program that actually works in a Mac OS X
> environment.

Where once I thought I couldn't get by in a single day without my Palm
device, I've now been living without one for 3 years. I came to the
conclusion that getting it to sync was just not worth the effort (also, my
Palm Vx had some painful and common pen alignment issues). Over the years I
had my Palm, I can't tell you how many times I had to re-copy all of my
appointments and manually check that email addresses were replicated
properly.

Lately, I've been thinking about getting another Palm device because Missing
Sync looked so promising. I thought that a product that was devoted to
establishing a clear synchronization method between my Mac and a Palm was
the answer, because Palm's efforts always seem halfhearted or distracted. It
sounds like this isn't the case.

So, it would be of *tremendous* interest to me to hear from any
synchronization experts or experienced Palm authors out there on this issue.
Specifically, I'm wondering why it has historically been so difficult to
synchronize what seems like pretty basic data -- names, addresses, dates,
memos, etc. Why is this stuff so tricky when it seems so basic? I know the
answer will be, in part, that every software publisher's address books are
different, but why aren't standards like ICS and Vcard more widely
supported? Even so, what's it going to take to get us to a point where our
devices will work with our 'digital hubs' seamlessly?

Thanks,
Khoi


kevinv (apparently) - Nov 3, 2004 12:36 pm (#5 Total: 5)  

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--On Tuesday, November 2, 2004 8:35 AM -0800 Khoi Vinh
<publicsubtraction.com> wrote:

> So, it would be of *tremendous* interest to me to hear from any
> synchronization experts or experienced Palm authors out there on this
> issue. Specifically, I'm wondering why it has historically been so
> difficult to synchronize what seems like pretty basic data -- names,
> addresses, dates, memos, etc. Why is this stuff so tricky when it seems
> so basic? I know the answer will be, in part, that every software
> publisher's address books are different, but why aren't standards like
> ICS and Vcard more widely supported? Even so, what's it going to take to
> get us to a point where our devices will work with our 'digital hubs'
> seamlessly?

I'm far from an expert, but all I can say is this is not a Mac only issue.
I have a Zire 72 and syncing it on both Windows and the Mac was a pain. I'm
inclined to blame Palm. Our company policy on Windows machines is that you
cannot use the standard Palm sync software that comes with the Palm. We
purchase a 3rd party app (Intellisync from PumaSoft) and use that for
synchronizing. We started this requirement after a few users managed to
delete every e-mail in their inbox when a sync failed.

I've given up syncing it with my Mac, not because it wasn't working -- it
was working pretty well as long as I kept my Bluetooth adapter in the USB
port 2 on my powerbook. But I've found syncing between 2 computers is a
huge accident waiting to happen.

I think the whole hotsync app has got to go, on both Windows and the Mac.
iSync talks directly to the iPod, why do this stupid iSync to HotSync to
Palm chain? It's the same on Windows. I have a bluetooth Palm, the
Bluetooth software on Windows supports PIM Synchronization directly, but I
have to go through this stupid emulation where Bluetooth pretends it's a
serial port and hotsync uses the serial port to talk to the Palm. And
frequently fails.

Kevin



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