Mac OS X 10.5.2 Update: Dock Stacks Go Bye-bye

On 16-Feb-2008, at 17:31, Dan Frakes wrote:
> I think they do listen on occasion; I think the real problem you're
> describing is that they often don't listen to developers ;-) I get
> the
> impression that on some issues, Apple thinks developers don't
> represent
> "real" users, and so they push features out without addressing
> developer
> concerns. Sometimes Apple is right, and "real" users don't seem to
> care as
> much as developers. Other times, users get upset, too, so changes are
> implemented. The menu bar and Stacks are good examples -- many
> developers
> hated them, but Apple was convinced "real" users would like them.

I think that on balance, Apple gets it right more often than not.
There are notable exceptions, of course. The transparent menubar, for
me, was one such case. I despised it mere seconds after install
Leopard and am glad to see it gone without hacks.

But I think often what the Developers think about the UI adn the
'glitz' of OS X is flat out wrong. They want NeXT Step 10, and the
users do not.

I am often on the Developers side of this tug-of-war, but I
acknowledge I am wrong :/

Option #1 is how you want to display the folder/stack. Do you want to display it as a stack of documents, or do you want to display it as the containing folder. Since I have the Stack Overlays Drawer icons from http://www.geocities.jp/chy065/, I've decided to keep them displayed as stacks.

Option #2 is how you want to display the folder/stack when you click on it. You still have the Fan and Grid view, but now you also have the list view. The list view is just as it is in Tiger. You can drag your hard drive into the Dock and navigate through your whole hard drive.

How does one choose the options? My look at Preferences/Dock didn't show anything suggestive. Also my Finder/Preferences didn't either. So where look? Thanks.

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On 17-02-2008, at 10:16, jwferman wrote:

> Option #1 is how you want to display the folder/stack. [...]
>
> Option #2 is how you want to display it when you click on it.
>
> How does one choose the options? My look at Preferences/Dock didn't
> show anything suggestive. Also my Finder/Preferences didn't either.
> So where look? Thanks.

Each folder has its own options in its contextual menu, the one that
appears when you press down on the folder in the dock.

-- Thomas Fruin

On Feb 17, 2008 5:16 AM, jwferman <jwfermanties2.net> wrote:
>
>
> Option #1 is how you want to display the folder/stack. Do you want to
> display it as a stack of documents, or do you want to display it as the
> containing folder. Since I have the Stack Overlays Drawer icons from <http://www.geocities.jp/chy065/>,
> I've decided to keep them displayed as stacks.
>
> Option #2 is how you want to display the folder/stack when you click on
> it. You still have the Fan and Grid view, but now you also have the list
> view. The list view is just as it is in Tiger. You can drag your hard
> drive into the Dock and navigate through your whole hard drive.
>
> How does one choose the options? My look at Preferences/Dock didn't show anything suggestive. Also my Finder/Preferences didn't either. So where look? Thanks.

You won't find it in Preferences since each folder in the Dock can
have different settings. Control-click (or right click) on the folder
in the Dock and you will see the options. If the folder is set to View
Contents as List then when you click on that folder you will also see
an Options sub-menu.


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On 2/17/2008 5:16 AM, "jwferman" wrote:
[Re: the new Dock/Stacks options]
> How does one choose the options? My look at Preferences/Dock didn't show
> anything suggestive. Also my Finder/Preferences didn't either. So where look?
> Thanks.

Right-click (or Control-click) on a folder's icon in the Dock; instead of a
stack for the folder, you'll see the options for displaying that stack.

On 17-Feb-2008, at 06:16, jwferman wrote:
> How does one choose the options? My look at Preferences/Dock didn't
> show anything suggestive. Also my Finder/Preferences didn't either.
> So where look? Thanks.

Right click the item in the dock you want to change. It is not a dock
preference, it is an item specific preference.

--
"It's unacceptable to think" - George W Bush 15/Sep/2006

How do you get one of the stack folders back to the dock again if
you've completely removed them? I don't see anywhere to do that from.

Regards,

Howard

Matt Neuburg wrote:
> On or about 2/15/08 3:55 AM, thus spake "David Weintraub"
> <qazwartgmail.com>:
>
>> It's nice to know that Apple does listen on occasions.
>
> I don't agree. All the beta testers were screaming at them for months and
> they *didn't* listen. I don't know what prompted the change but I don't
> believe listening had anything to do with it. Maybe Steve just finally
> noticed his computer was unusable. m.

I may be all wet on this but for most of 2007 Apple internal R&D seemed to be stretched to the limit. I'm betting that UI changes that were desired but not required to ship got deferred till update time. I've been there before on other platforms.

David Ross

>How do you get one of the stack folders back to the dock again if
>you've completely removed them? I don't see anywhere to do that from.

I removed the download folder from a friend's dock, thinking it would be easy to replace, but we couldn't figure out how to do that.

John

AFAIK, drill down to the folder and click & drag it into the Dock.

On Feb 19, 2008, at 6:04 AM, John Massengale wrote:

>> How do you get one of the stack folders back to the dock again if
>> you've completely removed them? I don't see anywhere to do that
>> from.
>
> I removed the download folder from a friend's dock, thinking it
> would be easy to replace, but we couldn't figure out how to do that.
>
> John

Could someone who still has these folders try and see if you right
click on them, is the option "Show in Finder" there? If see, we could
find out where the original of the folder is and drag it back to the
dock. Just a shot in the dark.

Regards,

Howard

Now if we can just have an option to change the 3D-dock to the great looking new 2D dock without having to use the command line...

On 2/19/2008 10:51 AM, "Howard Kaufman" wrote:
>>> How do you get one of the stack folders back to the dock again if
>>> you've completely removed them? I don't see anywhere to do that
>>> from.
>>
>> I removed the download folder from a friend's dock, thinking it
>> would be easy to replace, but we couldn't figure out how to do that.
>>
>> John
>
> Could someone who still has these folders try and see if you right
> click on them, is the option "Show in Finder" there? If see, we could
> find out where the original of the folder is and drag it back to the
> dock. Just a shot in the dark.

In Leopard, the Downloads folder is now an "official" folder inside each
user's Home folder.

On 20/02/2008 7:51 AM, "Howard Kaufman" <hkaufman1mac.com> spake thus:

> If see, we could find out where the original of the folder is and drag it back
> to the dock.

It should be in your home directory, alongside Documents and Pictures and
whatnot.

--
Nigel Stanger, Dunedin, NEW ZEALAND.
http://xri.net/=nigel.stanger

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Howard Kaufman wrote:

> On Feb 19, 2008, at 6:04 AM, John Massengale wrote:
>
> > > How do you get one of the stack folders back to the dock again if
> > > you've completely removed them? I don't see anywhere to do that
> > > from.
> >
> > I removed the download folder from a friend's dock, thinking it
> > would be easy to replace, but we couldn't figure out how to do that.
>
> Could someone who still has these folders try and see if you right
> click on them, is the option "Show in Finder" there? If see, we could
> find out where the original of the folder is and drag it back to the
> dock. Just a shot in the dark.

Indeed.

Unless it got moved, the Downloads folder for Leopard is just in your
home folder, along with Desktop, Documents, Library, Music, Movies,
Pictures, Sites, etc.

Just like any folder, you should be able to drag it off if you don't
like it, or drag it back if you want it back. That seems to be exactly
what happens on my laptop here when I removed & re-added it.

Aside from the "magic" new ways that you can view the contents of the
folder, the basic behavior for adding folders to & removing folders from
the dock isn't significantly different under 10.5.x than it was under
previous versions of OSX.


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Chris Devers

On 02/19/2008 18:08 PM, "jjm390" <tidbits-talktidbits.com> wrote:

> Now if we can just have an option to change the 3D-dock to the great looking
> new 2D dock without having to use the command line...

Tinkertool

--
John C. Welch

> Unless it got moved, the Downloads folder for Leopard is just in your
> home folder, along with Desktop, Documents, Library, Music, Movies,
> Pictures, Sites, etc.

Thanks! There have been several replies about this, but actually I
should have better expressed myself from the start. The folders I'm
really having trouble finding are the ones for Recent Documents and
Applications. I nuked those from the dock and now I wonder how to get
them back?

Thanks to all!

Regards,

Howard

On 19-Feb-2008, at 17:08, Chris Devers wrote:
> Unless it got moved, the Downloads folder for Leopard is just in your
> home folder,

Have you tried to move it? Go on, give it a shot.

Try moving ANY of the folders in your Home. I dare ya.

Re: recent documents/applications in Dock

Howard, you may want to search MacOSXHints for "Recent Things". There was a posting there about that.

<http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071101055329470>

Very cool tip!

> <http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071101055329470>