10.5.2 Wait or Try?

On 02/13/2008 06:37 AM, "Bill Rowe" <readlistssbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I generally upgrade using the Software Update as Apple makes
> updates available and haven't had problems. But I also don't run
> haxies on my system and very few things that have system wide
> effects. I also have current backups and can easily revert back
> to a previous system if things don't go smoothly.

I run exactly two. Other than that, it's a clean system. Well, my Dock isn't
clean, but it does stay put.

Oddly, I tend to never see the problems that the various "one person
reported a bug and without doing any research, we'll loudly warn people away
from this release based on no evidence" sites insist are endemic to
<release>

I can tell you 10.5.2 did clean up quite a few Directory Services issues for
me.

--
John C. Welch

--On February 12, 2008 5:48:31 PM -0800 David Laffitte
<laffittecomputer.org> wrote:

> What's your take. Wait or Try?

I'd wait another week to make sure nothing weird pops up, but since you're
already on 10.5.1 I'd move to 10.5.2 pretty quickly.

Joking Howard? You must be kidding?

Why in the world would I suggest to one of my clients that they upgrade when the raft of odd-ball problems showing up on Apple's own support website indicate that 10.5.2 bugs, hangs, incomplete upgrades, dead wireless are a new nightmare for many Mac OS X users.

Regards

Dave

> What's your take. Wait or Try?
>

If you use a non-Apple WLAN base station, you may want to read the
following blog post, the related comments, and the two Apple support
forum discussions linked to in the post, before upgrading to 10.5.2:

<http://blogs.oreilly.com/digitalmedia/2008/02/os-x-1052-update-may-cause-wir.html
 >


Regards,

Jochen.


--
Jochen Wolters
jochenpolytropia.com | http://polytropia.com | jochenwolters (Skype)

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, David Laffitte wrote:

> Joking Howard? You must be kidding?
>
> Why in the world would I suggest to one of my clients that they
> upgrade when the raft of odd-ball problems showing up on Apple's own
> support website indicate that 10.5.2 bugs, hangs, incomplete upgrades,
> dead wireless are a new nightmare for many Mac OS X users.

You're giving these clients a bargain, right?

Right?


--
Chris Devers

On Feb 14, 2008, at 7:50 AM, David Laffitte wrote:

> Joking Howard? You must be kidding?
>
> Why in the world would I suggest to one of my clients that they
> upgrade when the raft of odd-ball problems showing up on Apple's own
> support website indicate that 10.5.2 bugs, hangs, incomplete
> upgrades, dead wireless are a new nightmare for many Mac OS X users.

Well, half kidding - inspired by your negative tone about Apple. I
didn't really mean to start a war with you on this, and I hope I
haven't, but honestly I have too much positive experience, previously,
and in Leopard, (with at least 20 Macs now), to agree that there is a
huge problem with Apple's attitude. Given the large number of Mac
users, it's inevitable that some will have problems, but to suggest
that Apple doesn't care about the quality of their OS releases is just
not true, either historically, or in the case of Leopard. That's what
I was specifically responding to.

Regards,

Howard

On 02/14/2008 06:50 AM, "David Laffitte" <laffittecomputer.org> wrote:

> Joking Howard? You must be kidding?
>
> Why in the world would I suggest to one of my clients that they upgrade when
> the raft of odd-ball problems showing up on Apple's own support website
> indicate that 10.5.2 bugs, hangs, incomplete upgrades, dead wireless are a new
> nightmare for many Mac OS X users.
>
> Regards

Have you been testing it yourself to see what the problems actually are for
your client's environments, as opposed to taking the word of <random people>
with <unknown configurations> who may have <other undisclosed problems> as
<troubleshooting gospel>?

I've had a couple of machines just never seem to get past the initial
upgrade start. Downloaded the combo update, it ran fine.

I know *many* people who will tell you point-blank that the only way to
update Mac OS X Server versions is a nuke and pave. I sit and look at my
Open Directory Master, in place upgrade from 10.3.x to 10.4.3, and think,
"no...not so much"

Every config is unique, and you have to test for your needs and your
clients.

--
John C. Welch

On 02/14/2008 06:50 AM, "Jochen Wolters" <jochenpolytropia.com> wrote:

>> What's your take. Wait or Try?
>>
>
> If you use a non-Apple WLAN base station, you may want to read the
> following blog post, the related comments, and the two Apple support
> forum discussions linked to in the post, before upgrading to 10.5.2:
>
> <http://blogs.oreilly.com/digitalmedia/2008/02/os-x-1052-update-may-cause-wir.
> html

That's not an endemic bug. I'm not seeing it on a network full of Netgear
WG-102s

--
John C. Welch

--On February 14, 2008 4:50:21 AM -0800 Jochen Wolters
<jochenpolytropia.com> wrote:

>> What's your take. Wait or Try?
>>
>
> If you use a non-Apple WLAN base station, you may want to read the
> following blog post, the related comments, and the two Apple support
> forum discussions linked to in the post, before upgrading to 10.5.2:
>
> <http://blogs.oreilly.com/digitalmedia/2008/02/os-x-1052-update-may-cause
> -wir.html
> >

I have a D-Link router wireless router using WPA Personal security. I
installed 10.5.2 the day it came out. No problems with it until this
morning. Computer wouldn't connect to it. I reset the D-Link router and
it now connects fine.

If it happens again I'll post another note but the article seems to imply
that connecting with security to any non-Airport wireless router is
impossible, and that isn't what I'm seeing.

On Feb 14, 2008, at 4:50 AM, David Laffitte wrote:

> Why in the world would I suggest to one of my clients that they
> upgrade when the raft of odd-ball problems showing up on Apple's own
> support website indicate that 10.5.2 bugs, hangs, incomplete
> upgrades, dead wireless are a new nightmare for many Mac OS X users.

And how does that differ from any prior update since Apple created
those forums?

I'm personally happy to have moved on from the system as released in
January 1984 (when these things showed up on CompuServe, The Source,
etc).

   --John

On Feb 14, 2008, at 4:50 AM, Jochen Wolters wrote:

>> What's your take. Wait or Try?
>>
>
> If you use a non-Apple WLAN base station, you may want to read the
> following blog post, the related comments, and the two Apple support
> forum discussions linked to in the post, before upgrading to 10.5.2:
>
> <http://blogs.oreilly.com/digitalmedia/2008/02/os-x-1052-update-may-cause-wir.html

I am cautious to this extent: I have two Leopard (and one Tiger)
Macs. The MacBook is essentially a sandbox machine. That gets
updated pretty quickly. When that goes well (as it has since I got
that machine), I move on to the other Leopard machine. (Pre-Leopard,
on to both other machines.)

For someone with only one machine, it's a little chancier. SuperDuper
makes reverting soon after an update painless (for something like
Tiger to Leopard, i have three clones on at least two spindles).
Because of the MacBook's sandbox status, I haven't bothered with
SuperDuper's sandbox capability.

(My Linksys WRT54GL has not had any problems with either Leopard
machine.)

   --John (who has never had wireless problems on wake from sleep,
since he doesn't believe in letting Unix machines sleep)

On 2/14/08 at 4:50 AM, laffittecomputer.org (David Laffitte) wrote:

>Why in the world would I suggest to one of my clients that they
>upgrade when the raft of odd-ball problems showing up on Apple's own
>support website indicate that 10.5.2 bugs, hangs, incomplete
>upgrades, dead wireless are a new nightmare for many Mac OS X users.

Two reasons. First, it is likely to correct some of the bugs,
hangs etc reported with 10.5.1. Second, I strongly suspect many
of the reported bugs, hangs etc have little to do with 10.5.2
itself. That is had many of these users been upgrading a clean
system etc. these problems would not be present.

On Feb 15, 2008, at 6:55 AM, John C. Welch wrote:

> That's not an endemic bug. I'm not seeing it on a network full of
> Netgear
> WG-102s


Nor I on Sonicwall and 2-wire access points.

Yours,

Chris Balay
http://www.whiteplume.net
chris.balaygawpus.com
IM: chrisbalayaol.com

> the article seems to imply that connecting with security to any non-
> Airport wireless router is impossible, and that isn't what I'm seeing.
>

I'm afraid you're right, the article does give the impression that
this may affect any non-Apple router. Hence, I've just updated it,
adding a list of specific router models that are known to be affected
plus suggested fixes and workarounds for each.


Regards,

Jochen.


--
Jochen Wolters
jochenpolytropia.com | http://polytropia.com | jochenwolters (Skype)

ADC Cinema Displays' USB port is unusable with 10.5.2.

The adapter, which has a USB connection designed to make the displays' port work with the MacPro DVI connection worked OK with 10,5,1 but fails intermittently with 10,5,2. I had the keyboard/mouse attached to the displays' USB port and the cursor freezes. The processor continues to work for a while and then the dreaded dark grey screen scrolls and the system failure message appears forcing a hard reboot.

Connecting the keyboard to a MacPro USB port solves the problem. I also had a USB bus attached to the displays' port and an Apple modem attached to the hub was inconsistent.

Hi All,

I've been following this thread since its inception and I just wanted to add that I have had 0 problems with Max OSX updates and upgrades from 10.4.11 through 10.5.2.

I first updated my SuperDuper clone on an external HD to check it out. The update took about 10 minutes from start to reboot. It all worked without a hitch so I then updated my main machine, MacBook Pro (June, 07) and have had no problems. I don't have a lot of system level software mods, just Default Folder, Double Command and my wireless mouse driver, but I wanted to reiterate that there must be an awful lot of us, call us the silent majority, who have not had problems updating and upgrading.

-Jack Clay

On Feb 16, 2008, at 6:31 PM, Mike Garrison wrote:

> ADC Cinema Displays' USB port is unusable with 10.5.2.


...for some users, you meant to write. Works fine on our machines.
Haven't had a single issue yet (knock on polycarbonate).


Seth Anderson
www.b12partners.net/mt

Hi,

I'm using a Minimac duo core. With OS 10.5. the Preview application works just fine. In the OS 10.5.1 update it never did work. In the OS 10.5.2 update it worked at first and then stopped. Just wondering - is this my own personnel gremlin >:-o I haven't seen it reported in any of the Mac User Groups.

Gary

John C. Welch wrote:
> On 02/14/2008 06:50 AM, "Jochen Wolters" <jochenpolytropia.com> wrote:
>
>>> What's your take. Wait or Try?
>>>
>> If you use a non-Apple WLAN base station, you may want to read the
>> following blog post, the related comments, and the two Apple support
>> forum discussions linked to in the post, before upgrading to 10.5.2:
>>
>> <http://blogs.oreilly.com/digitalmedia/2008/02/os-x-1052-update-may-cause-wir.
>> html
>
> That's not an endemic bug. I'm not seeing it on a network full of Netgear
> WG-102s

Every major upgrade from Apple has created reports of wireless issues. Every time I've done such upgrades and had problems in the past I'd delete ALL the wireless settings, especially the wireless connections, re-enter them, and never look back. Now I just do it by default. I suspect there are some configuration situations where they change internals enough that some cruft that worked in the old setup fubars the new one. While I don't like it I can understand that testing every single combination that might show up in an upgrade process is a near infinite job.

David Ross

When I saw that 10.5.2 was over 300meg, I decided that was the time for me to jump in. I never archive and upgrade when it's a major release like this...I reformatted my drive... installed 10.5... then installed 10.5.2... then cloned a copy of this before adding anything in and... everything has worked perfectly since.I am on a G5 dual processor 2.0 with 4 gig of Ram.