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Amazon Grocery Delivery Service

[Weintraub, David]David Weintraub - 06:15am Dec 14, 2007 PST
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> Your first thought, like mine, is probably, "Great. They're taking
> an idea that dramatically failed several years ago and just throwing
> more money at it." But I think Amazon occupies a unique position in
> the marketplace that could allow them to succeed where Webvan and
> others failed. Amazon ships millions of items a day.

One of the strangest things about the grocery business is that
supermarkets make the most or their money merely displaying their
wares and not actually selling them. Companies pay for the privilege
of shelf space. Endcaps are prime territory. A display in the middle
of the aisle will cost you. And, if you want your stuff at eye level
and not stuck on the bottom shelf? Pay up! Heck, even the prerogative
of just having your product in the store costs the manufacturer money.

It's one of the reasons why I can't see a pure grocery delivery
service being able to compete. Such a service is giving up a lot of
revenue from product displays. Storing perishables can be quite
expensive and you'll have to have a local place to be able to do this.
You can't ship from a nationwide warehouse as you can with books.
Currently with non-groceries, Amazon doesn't even have to stock slow
sellers. These are shipped directly from the factory (or publisher as
the case maybe).

> If you can combine high-margin items that Amazon already sells,
> conserve shipping through internal operations (thus shifting the few
> dollars an item from shipping companies to your own trucking fleet),
> and add grocery to provide regular neighborhood stops and a tiny
> margin, you might have a winning model.

Books and electronics can be shipped out of a central warehouse.
Groceries have to be kept locally. Besides, do-it-yourself delivery is
becoming more and more a thing of the past. FedEx and UPS are even
taking over inventory control and repair for many companies. You have
an HP or Compaq computer that is being sent back for repair, chances
are it never gets to HP. Instead, FedEx has a contract with HP to
service most of their PCs. The PC is shipped to Memphis, and a
reconditioned one is shipped back out.

I think the model by Peapod is what will be happening to grocery
delivery services. Back in the 90s, Peapod was going to offer
nationwide delivery of groceries. Instead, they now merely work with
local supermarket chains. The supermarket chains can do act as the
local warehouse while Peapod handles the delivery logistics. This
allows the chains to make their money with "displays" while offering
another service to their customers.

David Weintraub



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George Wade (apparently) - Dec 15, 2007 3:46 am (#1 Total: 4)  

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> It's one of the reasons why I can't see a pure grocery delivery
> service being able to compete. Such a service is giving up a lot of
> revenue from product displays.....

An online grocery would then have to compete by selling advertising.
It would have to be something healthy to be a symbiotic success.

Health books?

George

Tomoharu Nishino (apparently) - Dec 15, 2007 3:46 am (#2 Total: 4)  

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On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:15 AM, David Weintraub wrote:

>> Your first thought, like mine, is probably, "Great. They're taking
>> an idea that dramatically failed several years ago and just throwing
>> more money at it." But I think Amazon occupies a unique position in
>> the marketplace that could allow them to succeed where Webvan and
>> others failed. Amazon ships millions of items a day.
>
> One of the strangest things about the grocery business is that
> supermarkets make the most or their money merely displaying their
> wares and not actually selling them.

>
> It's one of the reasons why I can't see a pure grocery delivery
> service being able to compete.

Fresh Direct seems to be doing pretty well, though admittedly their
business model seems to depend on the the peculiarities of the metro-
NYC area:

- A large population concentrated in a tiny area (so the logistics are
much easier)
- Much less competition from traditional supermarkets (and their
peculiar economics)
- People have much more difficulty accessing supermarkets and carrying
stuff home since a lot of people don't have cars
- A large relatively affluent population that is willing to pay for
premium groceries
- A population accustomed to having *everything* delivered

Fresh Direct is in the process of expanding outside of Manhattan to
the outer boroughs and the west bank of the Hudson.

> I think the model by Peapod is what will be happening to grocery
> delivery services. Back in the 90s, Peapod was going to offer
> nationwide delivery of groceries. Instead, they now merely work with
> local supermarket chains.

And of course, some supermarkets are themselves getting into the act.
For example, in Hoboken (right across the Hudson from Manhattan)
ShopRite offers web shopping and delivery (they seem to do this in
certain markets in the region). And local grocers (such as Garden of
Eden, another Manhattan based gourmet grocer) is also getting into the
act.

So, this sort of thing is probably viable in certain markets that meet
favorable characteristics like Manhattan, but certainly (as David
notes) not on a nation wide scale a la Amazon. There has to be some
benefits to living in an over-crowded hyper-expensive metropolis. ;-)

Tn

britespot - Dec 16, 2007 5:19 am (#3 Total: 4)  

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There is another valid reason for Amazon and others to offer grocery shopping online. I live in a very small town (pop. 947) in New Hampshire and am not close to any major cities (Concord is more than an hour from here.) We have one very small independent grocer in town and one small, but semi-major, chain grocery store about 10 miles away. Amazon offers a large selection of products that simply are not available here. I have used this service occasionally and I appreciate the convenience and variety of products available. Peapod and other similar services cater to those who hate to shop or simply don't have the time, evidently in heavily occupied areas. Nothing like that is available up here (there aren't even any delivery services from restaurants.) I do not know if anyone else around here uses Amazon groceries, but I like the fact that the service is available.

Linda F.

dneal - Dec 18, 2007 6:25 am (#4 Total: 4)  

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Before Webvan bought them out and proceeded to crash them into the ground, Seattle had a successful home delivery service called HomeGrocer.com. I was home bound after a traffic accident for several months at the beginning of 2000 and I got all my groceries from them.

They had a great variety of staples, great meats, and fresh vegetable and delivered promptly on time the next day after you ordered. The prices were higher than Safeway or Fred Meyer, but comparable to the QFC down the street from my apartment complex.

It was quite a scandal in the Times and PI when Webvan came in and made the changes that killed the service. While I had recovered by that time and it had little impact on me, I would have been hard pressed if it had happened while I was recovering.

HomeGrocer was successful and profitable which made it's demise after acquisition such a shame.

Dan Neal



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