What Classic software is still in use?

Hi,

I still have DeLorme's Street Atlas USA, which they haven't maintained
on the Mac for a long time, but I still find it useful.

I don't have a GPS thingy, and don't want to be tied to the Internet
for mapping. Does anyone know of something similar to Street Atlas
that runs native on OS X?

Bob Pyle

Speaking of Classic, launching it to run the one program I have that
needs it just caused a kernel panic on my Dual 533 running 10.4.11.
This was the first Classic launch since the update; all was OK on
trying again after starting up.

   --John

At 05:53 -0800 UTC, on 2007-11-16, Hank Harken wrote:

[...]

> I recommend Reunion by Leisterpro.
>
> <http://www.leisterpro.com/>
>
> I believe it will do everything you want and more.

I'm not a genealogist, but I do know one well. My understanding is that
Reunion is probably nice for the USA, but not so useful for some other parts
of the world. As I understand it, this has to do with differing conventions.
(Possibly also with the USA being such a young country and therefore families
not dating back that far?) There appear to be third-parties who make reunion
localisations (way more than mere translations) to accomodate for this, but I
got the impression that those are not affiliated directly with the authors of
Reunion, plus no doubt they'll always be at least one version behind.


--
Sander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/>

> A friend of mine has never switched to System X because he uses MacDraft. Is
> there a decent simple drafting program either free or very cheap for Tiger
> or Leopard?

From the makers of GraphicConverter, CADintosh:

<http://www.lemkesoft.com/xd/public/content/index._cGlkPTE3MA_.html>

--
Barry

At 04:03 -0800 17/11/07, lilianvohn wrote:
>Thank you, Hank. Yes you are right it seems that
>the authors of Gene have no plans to update the
>program. I hope that David and Diana Epstein
>read this. It would be wonderful to see an
>upgrade to OS X.

Take a look at GEDitCOM
(http://www.geditcom.com/)as well if you're
thinking of moving to X. Excellent program and
support. It offers relationship checking as well,
though perhaps not as powerful as Gene.

On 11/17/2007 06:03 AM, "Jim Sims" <simsezpzapps.com> wrote:

>
> OS 9 version of ColorIt! that has Kai's Power Tools in it.

ColorIt!'s OS X now. Dunno about KPT.

--
John C. Welch

At 4:03 AM PST on 11/17/07, Robert Pyle wrote:
>I still have DeLorme's Street Atlas USA, which they haven't maintained
>on the Mac for a long time, but I still find it useful.
>
>I don't have a GPS thingy, and don't want to be tied to the Internet
>for mapping. Does anyone know of something similar to Street Atlas
>that runs native on OS X?
>
>Bob Pyle

Hi Bob,

I also still use Street Atlas USA via Classic. The best potential
replacement I've seen is Route Buddy <http://www.routebuddy.com/>. I
haven't bought it yet because right now I don't have enough free disk
space for the maps--they're huge! Check it out--there's a trial
version you can download.

- Jerry

This thread has been going on for a while and people have had some
helpful responses, so I'll throw my question out there in case
someone has a solution.

I have been using Managing Your Money (MYM) to keep track of my
finances for about 18 years. I've thought about switching from time
to time, but haven't seen anything that does everything MYM does.
Some nice looking programs have come out recently, and I'd like to
switch, but I don't want to give up these features.

Specifically, I want:
      - double-entry accounting
      - keep track of stocks
      - separate memo entries for each account in a transaction

I've seen two or three programs that do the first two, but they all
seem to allow only one memo entry for the entire transaction.

I don't care whether it can download from bank sites because I prefer
to enter the transactions myself.

Suggestions are welcome. I'm starting to think I'll have to write my
own... and reverse-engineer the MYM data format to convert my old
data.

Thanks,
Jerry

P.S. If anyone's curious, I'm still using a "notebook" program called
Spiral. It was published in 1992 or 1993 by TechWorks during their
brief foray into software. It was fantastic in its day; the program
and its data fit entirely in RAM so you could run it on the laptops
of the day and get great battery life because you could spin down the
hard drive (and it would stay spun down!). I realize there are
alternatives these days; I have a license for Circus Ponies Notebook
but haven't taken the time to transfer everything yet.

And as I mentioned in another message, I still use Street Atlas USA,
although route descriptions don't display properly for me under
Classic. I plan to purchase Route Buddy when I get a new computer.

On 17-Nov-2007, at 05:03, Robert Pyle wrote:
> I don't have a GPS thingy, and don't want to be tied to the Internet
> for mapping. Does anyone know of something similar to Street Atlas
> that runs native on OS X?

I know you don't want to be 'tied to the internet' (whatever that
means) but the absolute best mapping software I've ever used is Google
Maps. It run circles around my GPS, is simple to use (change the
route? Pick up the route line and move it. Woot!)

When I am planning a long trip, I don't even bother with the GPS. I
stop at home and enter all the addresses I am going to, print it out,
and then use it as a primary reference with the GPS. If the GPS
disagrees, the GPS is wrong.

This summer I routed a long loop around Colorado, starting at my
office, going to Colorado Springs, Lake George, Buena Vista, Durango,
Ouray, Grand Junction, and back to Denver. Google Maps was flawless
for the entire 1300+ km run.

--On November 17, 2007 4:03:20 AM -0800 George Wade <georgewadeshaw.ca>
wrote:

> But why not keep an nice old Mac running for it. One day your modern
> Mac will crash, then the old machine can do support work while Apple
> Cares for the new one.

FYI, those keeping an old mac around for running Classic software might be
interested in using VNC to remote control the old mac from their OS X box.

I ditched Classic a long time ago, but I dug up these instructions on the
web. I imagine they'll still work:

<http://netmath.math.uiuc.edu/VNC-os9.htm>

To connect to the OS 9 box from OS X there are several VNC viewers
available. I'm not familiar with them but I imagine someone on the list
will make a recommendation.

Kevin

Sander said about Reunion (an OS X app) ...

>I'm not a genealogist, but I do know one well. My understanding is that
>Reunion is probably nice for the USA, but not so useful for some other parts
>of the world. As I understand it, this has to do with differing conventions.

I'm not a professional genealogist but I have some experience with the
subject. I'm curious what some examples could be. The program has many
options. (watch out ! This may intermingle with the "preferences" thread
- grin).

>(Possibly also with the USA being such a young country and therefore families
>not dating back that far?)

The current system of US government dates to 1789, older than many
European constitutions but that is not a starting point for US families
and lines since these people didn't spontaneously appear on the
continent of North America. For many in the US (and other "young"
countries, zum Beispiel Australia) the identification of an immigrant
ancestor results in more research to dig further into the past. On my
father's side I have two families traced and recorded in Reunion to the
1630s in Germany and the hunt continues for pre-immigration info for the
other branches. Sure, it's not as far back as Charlemagne but I think
that's fairly good for even current european residents.

- Hank

On Nov 19, 2007, at 6:33 PM, John C. Welch wrote:

> ColorIt!'s OS X now. Dunno about KPT.

Yup, paid for the OS X upgrade but it needs some more work.
I love ColorIt! but it needs to do the job. I'd settle for a less
buggy version
minus the KPT.

I hope the developer can get it moving again.
sims

At 2007-11-16 06:16 -0800 Paul Brians wrote:

>A friend of mine has never switched to System X because he uses MacDraft. Is
>there a decent simple drafting program either free or very cheap for Tiger
>or Leopard?

Paul - I've been using CADintosh for several years, and am generally
satisifed with it except for one aspect - its inability to deal
"properly" with ellipses. I recently starting using TurboCAD MAC when
I need to do anything serious with ellipses.

See my web pages under model aeroplane stuff for a few brief comments
about the relative merits of the 2 applications (TC MAC v2 is out
since I wrote that, and is more tidy & polished than v1), and see the
archives of the cadintoshmac e-mail list at yahoogroups.com for some
more in-depth discussion.

regards

Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
| <rowlandcarsongooglemail.com> http://home.clara.net/rowil/

On 2007-11-18, at 01:13, Sander Tekelenburg wrote:

> I'm not a genealogist, but I do know one well. My understanding is
> that
> Reunion is probably nice for the USA, but not so useful for some
> other parts
> of the world. As I understand it, this has to do with differing
> conventions.
> (Possibly also with the USA being such a young country and therefore
> families
> not dating back that far?) There appear to be third-parties who make
> reunion
> localisations

I research my family history and use Reunion for this. I'm based in
New Zealand, many of my relatives are in the UK, and I've never had
any problems being outside of the USA. There's people from around the
world in the discussion forums.

It's true third parties supply translated versions of Reunion (Reunion
only comes in English), and using early dates in the form of 1573/74
could be better supported. There's the odd complaint that when adding
a child or parent the last name defaults to the last name of the
parent or child (respectively)--which isn't true in all cultures.

Overall I don't think there's any show stoppers for people outside of
the USA.

There's a demo available so you can be sure it meets your needs:

<http://www.leisterpro.com/doc/demo/demo.php>

There's a great discussion forum:

<http://www.reuniontalk.com/>

The authors (Leister Productions) are very responsive to feedback.

My favorite classic software is MasterCook Deluxe 4.0 - very old, going back OS 8. It has never been updated since its original release and never will be. The company evidently has fallen off the edge of the world. What I like about it and what is not offered by anyone else is the extensive nutritional information in its database. One can create a special recipe for a family heirloom sauce or whatnot and MasterCook can be made to make that recipe an ingredient and be treated like any other ingredient in any recipe. One can set up an eating plan for a week, say, and get nutritionals for that plan plus a shopping list or lists. As a diabetic, glucose controlling by diet, MasterCook is a vital tool. In the Apple Store there is recipe software, which I tried and found to be grossly insufficient. I emailed the company about that and never got an answer. So I keep one computer on Tiger, just so I can run MasterCook.

John Ferman jwfermanties2.net

Well, Sander is correct differing conventions and languages do indeed makes it problematic to use various genealogy programs. The Danish letters æ, ø & å (Æ,Ø,Å) is an important example.

- and Charlemagne who died 72 years old in year 814 is my distant ggf 42 generations back - so it takes some time when I work in Reunion to go back through the generations step by step

Lilian Vohn, Denmark

On 2007-11-21, at 14:40, lilianvohn wrote:

> Sander is correct differing conventions and languages do indeed
> makes it problematic to use various genealogy programs. The Danish
> letters æ, ø & å (Æ,Ø,Å) is an important example.

In terms of Reunion, which Sander was referring to, it's been Unicode
(and Cocoa) since version 9 so this isn't an issue.

> - and Charlemagne who died 72 years old in year 814 is my distant
> ggf 42 generations back - so it takes some time when I work in
> Reunion to go back through the generations step by step

If you want to see each generation as you move backwards it's going to
take time no matter what genealogy program you use. If you want to
jump straight there, there's a number of shortcuts in Reunion (jump by
name, jump by ID number, go to oldest relative, go to bookmarked
person, etc.)--as I'm sure there are in other genealogy programs.

Cheers

On 2007-11-19 12:43 PM, Jerry Weldon wrote:
> I have been using Managing Your Money (MYM) to keep track of my
> finances for about 18 years. I've thought about switching from time
> to time, but haven't seen anything that does everything MYM does.
> Some nice looking programs have come out recently, and I'd like to
> switch, but I don't want to give up these features.
>
> Specifically, I want:
> - double-entry accounting
> - keep track of stocks
> - separate memo entries for each account in a transaction

MYOB might fit the bill. I'm not sure if you meant "keep track of stock"
(inventory) or "keep accounts for stocks I own". I don't believe MYOB
does the latter. <http://www.myob.com>

kazar

On 2007-11-19 12:43 PM, Jerry Weldon wrote:
> Specifically, I want:
> - double-entry accounting
> - keep track of stocks
> - separate memo entries for each account in a transaction

Moneydance does the first 2. Not sure about the last one, you might
have to flip over into the other account to modify the 2nd account
transaction memo (there is a shortcut to take you to the other account
entry).

http://moneydance.com/
http://moneydance.com/features.shtml#portfolio


If your current system can export to OFX or Quicken's QIF format (or a
CSV file) you can probably import existing data into moneydance.

I loved that program. For a variety of reasons I had to switch to PC based accounting. I now use Quicken but the features you (and I) want are not there except for the stocks which downloads current day prices and not month-end which is more useful for balancing to statements. The download transactions for my 8-9 accounts is most useful. The reporting takes some getting used to.

MS Money couldn't get through a prior year's Quicken conversion and I wasn't willing to start over and I thought learning yet another accounting program wasn't worth it.

I want my MYM back. sigh.