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iPhoto 7 Fills Glaring Holes![[Butler, Lewis]](/webx/?30@@1) Lewis Butler (apparently) - 06:03am Sep 19, 2007 PSTvia emailOn 17-Sep-2007, at 17:25, TidBITS Editors wrote:
> You can title photos and name events (which are essentially film
> rolls, in the old terminology)
Hrm, I disagree with that parenthetical completely. Events are only
like rolls in taht tehy they organize photos into groups, but they
are far more versatile and useful than the old "Roll" system for
several reasons.
First, events can be automatically generated, and iPhoto does a
fairly decent job of doing this.
Second, and most importantly, it is trivial to move photos from one
event to another, to split an event, and to merge photos from
different times into a single event.
For example, I was recently in Mexico and dumped all my photos into
iphoto. While I was there, I took a bunch of pictures that where to
act as inventory for a collection of artwork. these pictures are of
no interest to anyone and so I created a separate event for them.
Likewise, the pictures I took of friends and family I put into
another event, and pictures of buildings and landscape and other
stuff I put into yet another event. Then I split off some of the
'people' pictures into another event, which included pictures from
the beginning and end of the trip.
Moving pictures around is pretty painless, and joining and splitting
events couldn't be easier. The only thing taht I think breaks down
at all is doing a gallery of an event which, apparently, creates a
separate grouping for the galley, so if you add and remove items from
the event, it doesn't necessarily (? but sometimes?) update the gallery.
Adam Engst
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Sep 20, 2007 12:21 pm
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Re: iPhoto 7 Fills Glaring Holes
At 6:08 AM -0700 9/19/07, Jerry Nilson wrote:
>iPhoto 7 has one annoying new feature though: one cannot browse the
>iPhoto library from other applications and can one browse it in
>Finder via the 'Open Package' command -- not sure why they need to
>keep people out of this folder. I use the original photos and even
>the thumbnails created for website and such and it is a hassle to
>keep duplicates of everything ... (it already duplicates things
>enough as it is).
Yes, you're absolutely right that the iPhoto Library has now become a
package, which makes it a bit harder to get into, especially from
other applications. I presume the reason to do this was to reduce the
number of people who broke things badly by moving items in and out of
that folder manually.
Note that you can still Control-click a photo and see it in the
Finder with Show File or Show Original File. And you can drag photos
from iPhoto to the Finder to export them quickly, or to other
applications to work with them there (but be warned that dragging to
other applications isn't a good idea if you plan to modify the file
and save your changes; iPhoto will have no idea you've done that).
cheers... -Adam
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Adam C. Engst, TidBITS Publisher < http://www.tidbits.com/adam/>
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Adam Engst
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Sep 20, 2007 12:21 pm
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Re: iPhoto 7 Fills Glaring Holes
At 6:08 AM -0700 9/19/07, Google Kreme wrote:
>On 17-Sep-2007, at 17:25, TidBITS Editors wrote:
>>You can title photos and name events (which are essentially film
>>rolls, in the old terminology)
>
>Hrm, I disagree with that parenthetical completely. Events are only
>like rolls in taht tehy they organize photos into groups, but they
>are far more versatile and useful than the old "Roll" system for
>several reasons.
As far as I can tell, they're exactly like film rolls, with the only
difference being that iPhoto 7 can make events per day, rather than
just per import.
>First, events can be automatically generated, and iPhoto does a
>fairly decent job of doing this.
Film rolls were automatically generated on each import.
>Second, and most importantly, it is trivial to move photos from one
>event to another, to split an event, and to merge photos from
>different times into a single event.
And that was trivial with iPhoto 6 and film rolls as well. There was
Create Film Roll in the File menu to match the current Split button,
and you could always drag individual photos from one film roll to
another to match the current Merge capability.
The only real difference is the Events view, where there's one photo
representing each event, and a slick way to preview the others by
scrubbing over it.
cheers... -Adam
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Nigel Stanger (apparently)
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Sep 20, 2007 12:21 pm
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Re: iPhoto 7 Fills Glaring Holes
On 20/09/2007 1:08 AM, "Google Kreme" <gkreme  gmail.com> spake thus:
> Second, and most importantly, it is trivial to move photos from one
> event to another, to split an event, and to merge photos from
> different times into a single event.
Can a photo appear in more than one event? I could see occasions where that
might be useful. I'm guessing not :)
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http://xri.net/=nigel.stanger
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johnbaxterlists (apparently)
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Sep 20, 2007 12:26 pm
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Re: iPhoto 7 Fills Glaring Holes
On Sep 19, 2007, at 6:08 AM, Google Kreme wrote:
> On 17-Sep-2007, at 17:25, TidBITS Editors wrote:
>> You can title photos and name events (which are essentially film
>> rolls, in the old terminology)
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> Hrm, I disagree with that parenthetical completely. Events are only
> like rolls in taht tehy they organize photos into groups, but they
> are far more versatile and useful than the old "Roll" system for
> several reasons.
Also, events are unlike rolls in that they gather together one day's
pictures, regardless of number of downloads from the camera. By
default, that is--there are three other choices (weekly, or "two hour
gaps" or "eight hour gaps"--I haven't experimented with those but the
wording suggests that if you set two hour gaps, do a child's birthday
party in the morning, a wedding in the late afternoon (with nothing
between), and download both at once, you get two events.
--John
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Lewis Butler (apparently)
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Sep 21, 2007 1:08 am
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On 20-Sep-2007, at 13:21, Adam C. Engst wrote:
> And that was trivial with iPhoto 6 and film rolls as well. There was
> Create Film Roll in the File menu to match the current Split button,
> and you could always drag individual photos from one film roll to
> another to match the current Merge capability.
I never had luck moving non-concurrent photos into a roll though, and
merging a roll meant dragging every photo from one roll to the other.
OTOH, it's been years since I tried that since the first time I did
it didn't work well.
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Lewis Butler (apparently)
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Sep 21, 2007 1:08 am
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Re: iPhoto 7 Fills Glaring Holes
On 20-Sep-2007, at 13:21, Nigel Stanger wrote:
> On 20/09/2007 1:08 AM, "Google Kreme" <gkreme gmail.com> spake thus:
>> Second, and most importantly, it is trivial to move photos from one
>> event to another, to split an event, and to merge photos from
>> different times into a single event.
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> Can a photo appear in more than one event? I could see occasions
> where that
> might be useful. I'm guessing not :)
Not exactly, but you can DUPLCIATE a photo, then put one in one event
and the other in the other.
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weeeze (apparently)
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Sep 22, 2007 3:06 am
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Re: iPhoto 7 Fills Glaring Holes
> Yes, you're absolutely right that the iPhoto Library has now become a
> package, which makes it a bit harder to get into, especially from
> other applications. I presume the reason to do this was to reduce the
> number of people who broke things badly by moving items in and out of
> that folder manually.
>
> Note that you can still Control-click a photo and see it in the
> Finder with Show File or Show Original File. And you can drag photos
> from iPhoto to the Finder to export them quickly, or to other
> applications to work with them there (but be warned that dragging to
> other applications isn't a good idea if you plan to modify the file
> and save your changes; iPhoto will have no idea you've done that).
Thx Adam,
I was wondering how to get pics in PS. It seems a pain and is the
reason I didn't use the earlier iPhoto apps
I like the change in the "Rolls" function. But the Canon software
already does this. I'm supposed to present this to our MUG next month
and I can't really see the advantage if you use PS or GC and have to go
through hoops to get to the pics. Best to all,
Rich Weiss
ex-Ambassador now Publicist
http://ebmug.org
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Nigel Stanger (apparently)
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Sep 23, 2007 11:35 pm
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On 21/09/2007 8:08 PM, "Google Kreme" <gkreme gmail.com> spake thus:
> On 20-Sep-2007, at 13:21, Nigel Stanger wrote:
>> Can a photo appear in more than one event?
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> Not exactly, but you can DUPLCIATE a photo, then put one in one event
> and the other in the other.
Ick. I thought as much. I'm a database guy, so this kind of thing really
grates :)
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Nigel Stanger, Dunedin, NEW ZEALAND.
http://xri.net/=nigel.stanger
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lymond909
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Sep 25, 2007 2:01 am
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Rich, you can get the photos into Photoshop simply by designating Photoshop as your external editor in iPhoto. I do it all the time. And it's not much of a hoop to simply control-click a photo in iPhoto and choose either Show File (for modified files) or Show Original File (for the original, of course): it's much easier than tunneling through the folder hierarchy manually, I can tell you that, whether the Library is a package or not!
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Nik (apparently)
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Sep 25, 2007 2:01 am
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Re: iPhoto 7 Fills Glaring Holes
On 9/20/07, Adam C. Engst <ace tidbits.com> wrote:
> The only real difference is the Events view, where there's one photo
> representing each event, and a slick way to preview the others by
> scrubbing over it.
Okay, FUNCTIONALLY, Roll = Event. Each is a chronological grouping of
photos. But the new interface into events is a real improvement over
the roll system.
Rolls were little more than a title. While you could collapse a roll
to save space, if you wanted to see any photos in the roll, you saw
all of them. This made browsing-by-roll fairly painful for folks with
lots of photos.
With events, you can browse hundreds at a time. Each takes the space
of a single photo, and you can scrub through for a quick preview of
the photos inside the event. It's a lot faster and easier, and really
improves upon the basic idea that rolls introduced.
--Nik
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airbusdriver
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Sep 25, 2007 2:01 am
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Much as many love iPhoto, I'd suggest not using it if you plan on editing the photos in a real editor. In which case, simply let Image Capture" download your pictures from the camera or use the software that comes with the camera, if you like it better. iPhoto, IMHO, is mainly for those who don't need/want to edit small portions of an image. But it's a competent database hidden behind a slick GUI for "the rest of us!"
I think people get frustrated when a program doesn't do what everyone of them want it to do. Most of Apple's apps are not made for heavy duty, power-user needs. If you find another app that does what you want better than Apple's then buy it and use it! You're just not part of Apple's market but that's OK! ;-)
BTW, I think the later versions of iPhoto stopped the needless duplication of images (not counting the thumbnails, of course).
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Jochen Wolters (apparently)
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Sep 25, 2007 6:47 am
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> The only real difference is the Events view [...] and a slick way
> to preview the others by scrubbing over it.
Don't forget the ability to easily hide/unhide images:
While I've been using Film Rolls for exactly the purpose that is now
covered by Events, I have a lot of images that fill into the "not
good enough to actually show off, but too good/interesting to throw
away" category. Being able to put those images "behind the scenes"
with a simple click so you don't have that feeling of them always
getting in the way somehow, is a very welcome new feature.
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Jochen Wolters
jochen polytropia.com | http://polytropia.com | jochenwolters (Skype)
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Mike Cohen (apparently)
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Sep 26, 2007 12:45 am
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On Sep 25, 2007, at 5:01 AM, airbusdriver wrote:
> Much as many love iPhoto, I'd suggest not using it if you plan on
> editing the photos in a real editor. In which case, simply let
> Image Capture" download your pictures from the camera or use the
> software that comes with the camera, if you like it better. iPhoto,
> IMHO, is mainly for those who don't need/want to edit small
> portions of an image. But it's a competent database hidden behind a
> slick GUI for "the rest of us!"
It's possible to use iPhoto to download and organize your pictures
while still using a real editor. Simply specify Photoshop (or your
favorite) as the external editor. You can either have it default to
edit in external editor when double-clicked or right click and choose
'edit in external editor'.
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Lewis Butler (apparently)
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On 25-Sep-2007, at 03:01, Nik Friedman TeBockhorst wrote:
> Okay, FUNCTIONALLY, Roll = Event. Each is a chronological grouping of
> photos.
No, events can be non-chronological.
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Lewis Butler (apparently)
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Sep 26, 2007 1:00 am
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On 25-Sep-2007, at 03:01, airbusdriver wrote:
> Much as many love iPhoto, I'd suggest not using it if you plan on
> editing the photos in a real editor.
Erm, and why would this be the case?
First of, for the vast majority of users, iPhoto's editing is far
better than anything else they have. Second off, for those people
with Photoshop, you simply setup your "Edit Photo:" pref to use PS
instead.
> BTW, I think the later versions of iPhoto stopped the needless
> duplication of images (not counting the thumbnails, of course).
iPhoto keeps at most two copies of a photo, the original untouched
version and an edited version, if you made any changes. It also, of
course, keeps a thumbnail. As far as I know, this hasn't changed.
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Mike Cohen (apparently)
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Sep 26, 2007 1:00 am
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On Sep 25, 2007, at 5:01 AM, airbusdriver wrote:
> Much as many love iPhoto, I'd suggest not using it if you plan on
> editing the photos in a real editor. In which case, simply let
> Image Capture" download your pictures from the camera or use the
> software that comes with the camera, if you like it better. iPhoto,
> IMHO, is mainly for those who don't need/want to edit small
> portions of an image. But it's a competent database hidden behind a
> slick GUI for "the rest of us!"
It's possible to use iPhoto to download and organize your pictures
while still using a real editor. Simply specify Photoshop (or your
favorite) as the external editor. You can either have it default to
edit in external editor when double-clicked or right click and choose
'edit in external editor'.
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Johan Sölve (apparently)
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Sep 27, 2007 5:24 am
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At 06.08 -0700 2007-09-19, Jerry Nilson wrote:
>iPhoto 7 has one annoying new feature though: one cannot browse the iPhoto library from other applications
Actually you can, here's how:
When in a File Open dialog, navigate to where the iPhoto Library is, then press command-shift-G to open the "Go to folder" sheet. Begin typing iPh and then press tab to have it automatically expand the full path to the iPhoto Library (this is important, it must be a full path either from root or from ~), then continue with Originals (or Modified or any other folder you want to get into, but a subfolder must be specified), and click OK. Now you're right into the package and can pick the file you're after.
Example working paths:
/Users/Johan/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Originals/
~/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Originals/
Another little tip relating to this - inside the iPhoto Library there is a folder "Auto Import". If you specify this folder as target for incoming BlueTooth file transfers, you can send photos from your cameraphone to your Mac via BlueTooth and they will be autoimported into iPhoto the next time iPhoto is launched. Very neat.
This is the way iPhoto imports pictures that have been selected in a slide show in Mail.app for example (also in Finder slideshows).
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Dave Scocca (apparently)
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Sep 27, 2007 5:24 am
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--On 9/26/2007 1:00 AM -0700 Google Kreme wrote:
> On 25-Sep-2007, at 03:01, Nik Friedman TeBockhorst wrote:
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>> Okay, FUNCTIONALLY, Roll = Event. Each is a chronological grouping of
>> photos.
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> No, events can be non-chronological.
So can rolls. You can move pictures from roll to roll with no need to keep
the groupings chronological. However, rolls are listed in chronological
order in the iPhoto interface.
Dave
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Nigel Stanger (apparently)
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Sep 27, 2007 5:24 am
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Re: iPhoto 7 Fills Glaring Holes
On 26/09/2007 8:00 PM, "Google Kreme" <gkreme gmail.com> spake thus:
> On 25-Sep-2007, at 03:01, Nik Friedman TeBockhorst wrote:
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>> Okay, FUNCTIONALLY, Roll = Event. Each is a chronological grouping of
>> photos.
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> No, events can be non-chronological.
Actually, both can be non-chronological, so take "chronological" out of the
statement above and you're fine. Time really only applies when they're first
created (with events having more flexible options than rolls). After that
it's open slather.
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Nigel Stanger, Dunedin, NEW ZEALAND.
http://xri.net/=nigel.stanger
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kgani (apparently)
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Sep 27, 2007 5:24 am
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Den 26/09/2007 kl. 10.00 skrev Google Kreme: On 25-Sep-2007, at 03:01, Nik Friedman TeBockhorst wrote:
Okay, FUNCTIONALLY, Roll = Event. Each is a chronological grouping of photos.
No, events can be non-chronological.
Indeed they can. Now I have a proper collection of comics, maps and other stuff just handled as one event, although gathered over the years. Much better approach, IMHO.
Kim
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