Replacing Eudora

On 20-Jun-2007, at 17:56, Phil Emery wrote:
> So I've been looking to see what a possible replacement for Eudora
> might be.
>
> I was thinking of using Mail or Thunderbird, but can't seem to figure
> out how to tweak the interface (I'd like horizontal lines between the
> messages like Eudora.

I think some of the screenshots of leopard show the new mail app with
alternating 'stripes' in the mail list.

> One feature I can't live without is the ability to have "open the
> message in a new window" step added to the rules or filters in
> Mail/Thunderbird. I use that to help keep ontop of mail from
> important clients.

Erm, yeah, good look with that one.

> I guess you could AppleScript it - though not sure how that's done

I don't see how. I mean, not without getting fugly.

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On Jun 20, 2007, at 4:56 PM, Phil Emery wrote:

> I was thinking of using Mail or Thunderbird, but can't seem to figure
> out how to tweak the interface (I'd like horizontal lines between the
> messages like Eudora.

Thunderbird is out for me because of its continuing inability--by any
action I just tried--to quote only part of a message in the reply
(either by having that part selected when clicking reply or by using
some modifier (I don't care which one(s)) when clicking reply with
desired part selected.

Other than that, I would have chosen (a young) Thunderbird over (a
young) Mac Mail.app as my Eudora replacement when I ditched Eudora
for company mail. When I was looking around, there was talk that
there might be a Thunderbird extension to do it--eventually.

Mailsmith (not previously mentioned in this discussion) is out for me
because it doesn't do IMAP. It filters well--possibly better than
anything else.

   --John

On 6/21/07 10:18 AM, "Google Kreme" <gkremegmail.com> wrote:

>> One feature I can't live without is the ability to have "open the
>> message in a new window" step added to the rules or filters in
>> Mail/Thunderbird. I use that to help keep ontop of mail from
>> important clients.
>
> Erm, yeah, good look with that one.

Actually, Mail supports, IIRC, running AppleScripts in rules, and opening a
message in a new window is not a terribly complicated script.

Assuming of course that Mail in Mac OS X 10.4 didn't break THAT part of the
scripting too.

--
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johnbaxterlistsmac.com wrote:

> Thunderbird is out for me because of its continuing inability--by any
> action I just tried--to quote only part of a message in the reply
> (either by having that part selected when clicking reply or by using
> some modifier (I don't care which one(s)) when clicking reply with
> desired part selected.

// Bob Perrey

Several Thunderbird extensions support selective quoting. Look up
"quote" in Thunderbird help.

Bob Perrey

On 21-Jun-2007, at 09:18, johnbaxterlistsmac.com wrote:
> On Jun 20, 2007, at 4:56 PM, Phil Emery wrote:
>> I was thinking of using Mail or Thunderbird, but can't seem to figure
>> out how to tweak the interface (I'd like horizontal lines between the
>> messages like Eudora.
>
> Thunderbird is out for me because of its continuing inability--by any
> action I just tried--to quote only part of a message in the reply
> (either by having that part selected when clicking reply or by using
> some modifier (I don't care which one(s)) when clicking reply with
> desired part selected.

This is only one of the several hundred little things about
THunderbird that annoy me. I swear, that application feels like it
was written for the sole purpose of increasing sales for blood
pressure medication. I use Mail.app. It's not perfect, but on OS X
it's better than anything else I've tried. I also heavily use
procmail and address extensions to sort/filter email.

> Mailsmith (not previously mentioned in this discussion) is out for me
> because it doesn't do IMAP. It filters well--possibly better than
> anything else.

Mailsmith is brilliant, but lack of IMAP makes it a complete non-
starter for me, and most modern email users. It is the only client
with a database approach to email storage I would ever consider using.

On Jun 21, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Bob Perrey wrote:

> johnbaxterlistsmac.com wrote:
>
>> Thunderbird is out for me because of its continuing inability--by any
>> action I just tried--to quote only part of a message in the reply
>> (either by having that part selected when clicking reply or by using
>> some modifier (I don't care which one(s)) when clicking reply with
>> desired part selected.
>
> // Bob Perrey
>
> Several Thunderbird extensions support selective quoting. Look up
> "quote" in Thunderbird help.

The links on the first result of that search were a bust.
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Quote_only_selected_text_when_replying_-
_Thunderbird

The ResetQuoteHeader server couldn't be found, the QuickQuote link
went to some "sandbox" page requiring a login and QuickReply hasn't
been updated in 2 1/2 years.

However QuickQuote has another site and while calling their June
release "ever-buggy" does not inspire confidence, it does to allow
selective quoting. It has an option to override the default behavior
of the Reply and Reply to All buttons but unfortunately not for
overriding Command-R and Shift-Command-R (you must use Command-5 and
Command-6, respectively, instead).

http://quickquote.mozdev.org/faq.html

What's the rush to dump Eudora? It's been working fine for me for a decade and I expect it to continue to do so for years to come. I'll probably continue using it until Apple changes something in OS XI and breaks it.

BTW - I did find some applescritps on the web written specifically to act as a step in Mail it to open a message in a new window, so I guess I can move to Mail. Hard since I've been using Eudora since "Internet Starter Kit for the Macintosh" came with it on a floppy. I'll look for the location I got them from and send it to the list.

I wonder how someone could tweak the interface a bit (like adding some lines between the message list entries, or adding a bit of shading to one of the windows?

-- Phil Emery creative director philfocusedcreative.com

Focused Creative Communications 18 Hook Ave. (416) 534-4273 Suite 106 fax: (416) 534-7740 Toronto, ON M6P 1T4 http://www.focusedcreative.com

Hi Michael,

I used Eudora at work before I retired in 2005. I am a .mac user via FireFox on a PowerBook G4 running MacOS 10.4.9. I was just introduced to Apple Mail by a gal at a local Apple store. I had no trouble using it via Wi-Fi at the Apple Store, but using DSL elsewhere just queued up my outgoing mail in an Outbox.

The problem was Mail was set for port 25 (which was blocked) and I'd get a smtp.server.com timeout on that port every time Mail attempted to send. The cure was to move to port 287. The Apple techie tried to show me how to do this using Mail Preferences, but I cannot reproduce the steps now at home.

Best, Don

drreynoldsmac.com

On 6/27/07 19:22 PM, "drreynolds" <drreynoldsmac.com> wrote:

>
> The problem was Mail was set for port 25 (which was blocked) and I'd get a
> smtp.server.com timeout on that port every time Mail attempted to send. The
> cure was to move to port 287. The Apple techie tried to show me how to do this
> using Mail Preferences, but I cannot reproduce the steps now at home.

You mean 587, and it's in the settings for your SMTP server.

<http://www.inno-tech.com/support/user-port587.html> has a nice set of steps
for doing just that in a variety of email clients.

--
John C. Welch Writer/Analyst
Bynkii.com Mac and other opinions
jwelchbynkii.com

On Jun 27, 2007, at 8:22 PM, drreynolds wrote:
>The Apple
> techie tried to show me how to do this using Mail Preferences, but
> I cannot reproduce the steps now at home.

To change the SMTP port in Mail

1) Mail->Preferences
2) click on Accounts
3) Click on the account in questions
4) Click on Server Settings button
5) Change the Server port

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Eudora is like the tree rings of TidBITS Talk. Just as we can count tree rings to determine the age of a tree, we can estimate time passage by the time between yet another mention of Eudora on TidBITS Talk.

I must admit, I'm a Eudora user from the pre Qualcomm days and know I take for granted the myriad of ways it does things that makes life easier for a 'power' user.

However, it is a poor IMAP client (I've stuck with POP for this reason) and with Intel Macs, has to run emulated. If the only program doing so, no problem. But I find on a 1.5G RAM MacBook Pro, running Eudora, Excel, Word together really bites into the performance. So, I keep looking to see if the grass is greener elsewhere in terms of email but so far haven't made the jump. (Given that MS will finally release a universal version of Office this year, I suspect that I will give up looking for an alternative to Eudora.)

Andrew.