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[keith.kaiser27]keith.kaiser27 - 06:30am Jun 7, 2007 PST

I'm going to upgrade to one of the new MacBook Pros. So I would like to take my G4 Mini and use it as a back-up server that will be located in the basement of my house. I'll attach a 500GB MyBook to it and run Retrospect as the software, not a perfect solution I know because wireless back-ups are slow. But the real question I have is this: Since I won't have a keyboard, monitor or mouse connected to the Mini, how can I configure it, check on progress of Retrospect etc. from my new MacBook Pro? Are there solutions that won't cost me the price of the Apple Remote Desktop software without having to carry an extra monitor and such downstairs now and then?


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Steve McCabe (apparently) - Jun 8, 2007 5:19 pm (#1 Total: 10)  

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I'm sure I'll not be the only person to respond, but I'll take a stab
nevertheless, since I've always been grateful for the help I've received
round these parts...

> I'm going to upgrade to one of the new MacBook Pros. So I would like to take
> my G4 Mini and use it as a back-up server that will be located in the basement
> of my house. I'll attach a 500GB MyBook to it and run Retrospect as the
> software, not a perfect solution I know because wireless back-ups are slow.
> But the real question I have is this: Since I won't have a keyboard, monitor
> or mouse connected to the Mini, how can I configure it, check on progress of
> Retrospect etc. from my new MacBook Pro? Are there solutions that won't cost
> me the price of the Apple Remote Desktop software without having to carry an
> extra monitor and such downstairs now and then?

The good news is that there are solutions. The even better bit is that
they're easy, and possibly the best bit of all is that there is one that's
in fact free.

First, you'll need to set up the Mini, and for this you'll need mouse,
monitor and keyboard. Open System Preferences, and choose "Sharing." Under
"Services," make sure that Apple Remote Desktop is checked. Click on the
words "Apple Remote Desktop" to highlight this service, and you'll see
options available on the right of the window. Click on the button labelled
"Access Privileges," and make sure that the option about two thirds of the
way down the window, "VNC viewers may control screen with password" is
checked, and enter your password of choice into the box to the right of that
text.

Next, let's set your computer's name. After you've set your password, click
OK to dismiss that sheet, and you'll see at the top of the System
Preferences window a place to enter your computer name. Set it to whatever
is memorable or meaningful to you. Click on the "edit" button just below the
text box, and set the subnet access name to "mini.local" or something else
that you'll remember.

Assuming that you have activated Airport, your Mini is now ready. Once it's
in place and on, you should obtain a copy of the wonderfully-named Chicken
of the VNC (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/14099 or
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/networking_security/chickenofthevnc.ht
ml). Open CotVNC, and you should see a list of available computers on your
network. Click on the name of your Mini, and enter that machine's password,
and click Connect. You should now be able to control your Mini remotely.

As I understand it, Apple Remote Desktop is simply a highly Apple-ified
version of virtual network computing (hence "Chicken of the VNC"). If you
use ARD, then yes, you get some very fancy computer-management features such
as being able to lock the screen of the computer you're controlling
(preventing the user of that machine from using it while you're controlling
it), or the ability to observe without controlling. But CotVNC is a very
useful alternative to ARD for less demanding applications, such as the one
you mention.

I hope this works for you.
Steve



Michael Krzyzek (apparently) - Jun 8, 2007 5:19 pm (#2 Total: 10)  

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On 6/7/07, keith. kaiser27 <keith.kaisergmail.com> wrote:
Since I won't have a keyboard, monitor or mouse connected to the Mini, how can I configure it, check on progress of Retrospect etc. from my new MacBook Pro? Are there solutions that won't cost me the price of the Apple Remote Desktop software without having to carry an extra monitor and such downstairs now and then?

OSXVNC is the answer.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/osxvnc/

Allows you to remotely connect to the computer using any VNC client. Which brings me to...

Chicken of the VNC
http://sourceforge.net/projects/cotvnc/

Which is Mac OS X VNC client.

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Miraz Jordan (apparently) - Jun 8, 2007 5:19 pm (#3 Total: 10)  

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At 07:30 -0700 07/06/2007, keith.kaiser27 wrote:
>Since I won't have a keyboard, monitor or mouse connected to the
>Mini, how can I configure it, check on progress of Retrospect etc.
>from my new MacBook Pro?

I have a Mac mini without a monitor doing a few tasks for me. On the
*rarest* of occasions I have to plug in a keyboard and monitor (my TV
- the resolution's hopeless but enough to choose a few menu items).

99% of the time I access it using Chicken of the VNC.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/cotvnc/

I've experimented with SpyMe2, but time has prevented me from really
exploring that one. You may find Don McAllister's screencast on
SpyMe2 of interest:

http://screencastsonline.com/sco/info/scoarchive.html


The Mac mini sharing prefs are set to: Remote Login and Apple Remote
Desktop are checked. The Firewall allows those things, and of course
networking is enabled.

When I want to do something on the Mac mini I open a connection via
Chicken of the VNC on my MacBook Pro. The Mac mini desktop appears
in its own window and I can do what I like.

Oh, and a small point of interest: I set up the Mac mini new out of
the box by using VoiceOver...

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schinder (apparently) - Jun 8, 2007 5:26 pm (#4 Total: 10)  

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keith.kaiser27 wrote:
> I'm going to upgrade to one of the new MacBook Pros. So I would like to take my G4 Mini and use it as a back-up server that will be located in the basement of my house. I'll attach a 500GB MyBook to it and run Retrospect as the software, not a perfect solution I know because wireless back-ups are slow. But the real question I have is this: Since I won't have a keyboard, monitor or mouse connected to the Mini, how can I configure it, check on progress of Retrospect etc. from my new MacBook Pro? Are there solutions that won't cost me the price of the Apple Remote Desktop software without having to carry an extra monitor and such downstairs now and then?
>
Depending on how comfortable you are using the Unix inside Mac OS X,
this could be fairly simple. Install X11 on both machines if you
haven't already (it's on the Mac OS X install disk for 10.4, and I think
Apple still has downloadable installers for the earlier versions of Mac
OS X). Use ssh to log into the Mini, make sure X11Forwarding is set to
"yes" in /etc/sshd_config on the Mini, and any X11 aware command that
you run on the Mini will put its windows up on the MacBook. I use
machines that are thousands of miles, as well as a few feet, away just
this way. "Headless" machines (without monitor or keyboard) are fairly
common in the Unix world.

Whether or not Retrospect does the decent thing and logs to a text file
so you can check up on it without a fancy GUI I don't know, since I've
never used it. Of course, this remote access model doesn't work with
pure Aqua apps, unfortunately. I've often wished that Apple would
implement the X11 client/server model, so if I started up an app on a
remote machine, it would put it windows up on the local rather than the
remote.

If Unix doesn't appeal, one of my colleagues has used Timbuktu for years
to remotely control his machines. How well it works I don't know, since
I'm entirely comfortable with the Unix way of remote access, so I've
never used Timbuktu or anything similar.

Nik (apparently) - Jun 8, 2007 5:30 pm (#5 Total: 10)  

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On Jun 7, 2007, at 8:30 AM, keith.kaiser27 wrote:

> I'm going to upgrade to one of the new MacBook Pros. So I would
> like to take my G4 Mini and use it as a back-up server that will be
> located in the basement of my house. I'll attach a 500GB MyBook to
> it and run Retrospect as the software, not a perfect solution I
> know because wireless back-ups are slow. But the real question I
> have is this: Since I won't have a keyboard, monitor or mouse
> connected to the Mini, how can I configure it, check on progress of
> Retrospect etc. from my new MacBook Pro? Are there solutions that
> won't cost me the price of the Apple Remote Desktop software
> without having to carry an extra monitor and such downstairs now
> and then?

VNC, baby!

Go to your System Preferences -> Sharing -> Services and click on
Apple Remote Desktop and then click on Access Privileges...

Check "VNC Viewers may view screen with password" and enter a good
password.

You can now use Chicken of the VNC or any equivalent application to
see what that Mini is up to.

Note that your connection is not encrypted, which should be fine for
remote access in your house, but you may want to tunnel over SSH or
whatnot. There's been plenty of talk about that on this list, so I
won't go into details.

Also, FWIW, use something other than Retrospect. I've had endless
trouble with it, including very slow wireless connections and flakey
file restores that lose access permissions, extended attributes, and
other handy metadata. Yuck. (Although if you're really eager to use
Retrospect, I'll sell you my copy of Retrospect Desktop very cheap!)


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Randy B. Singer (apparently) - Jun 8, 2007 5:30 pm (#6 Total: 10)  

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On Jun 7, 2007, at 7:30 AM, keith.kaiser27 wrote:

> Are there solutions that won't cost me the price of the Apple
> Remote Desktop software without having to carry an extra monitor
> and such downstairs now and then?

VNC (Virtual Network Comput ing) is free and open source. It is
remote control software which allows you to view and interact with
one computer (the "server") using a simple program (the "viewer") on
another computer anywhere on your network, or on the Internet. The
two computers don't even have to be the same type.
<http://www.realvnc.com/>
<http://www.realvnc.com/download.html> (Download.)

There is a version of VNC server built into the latest version of OS X.

To use VNC, all that you need to have is VNC server software on one
machine, and VNC client software on the other machine.

Free Macintosh client software:

Chicken of the VNC
http://sourceforge.net/projects/cotvnc/

or

VNCViewer
http://www.geocities.com/tim_senecal/vnc.html
http://homepage.mac.com/kedoin/VNC/VNCViewer/


Free Macintosh server software :

OSXvnc

Vine Server (formerly OSXvnc) than OS X's built-in
VNC server (unless you use the ARD client, of course):
<http://www.redstonesoftware.com/products/vine/server/vineosx/>
http://www.redstonesoftware.com/vnc.html


VNC speed hints:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050915061927686

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barefootguru (apparently) - Jun 12, 2007 4:04 am (#7 Total: 10)  

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On 2007-06-09, at 13:26, Paul Schinder wrote:

> Whether or not Retrospect does the decent thing and logs to a text
> file
> so you can check up on it without a fancy GUI I don't know, since I've
> never used it.

It does. There's a few special chars in there which Retrospect will
translate to icons when viewing from within the app, but you can view
it 'control codes' and all from a text editor just fine.

It can also be configured with Retrospect Event Handler and
macmail.py to send an e-mail on various criteria.

The interface comes from a different era, it runs under Rosetta, but
still seems to be the best middle-range backup app out there.


[Let's not get sidetracked into a discussion of Retrospect or backup, here... -Adam]

edward (apparently) - Jun 20, 2007 4:00 pm (#8 Total: 10)  

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Some time back, I succeeded for a while in controlling a Mac from an XP box
using VNC. One annoyance which I never resolved was those doggone pulsating
buttons. On the LAN, I watch the switch and the network traffic is constant
due to those buttons, even when nothing else is happening. Aren't these a
major issue when connecting over a WAN? Is there no way to disable the
pulsation?

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kevinv (apparently) - Jun 21, 2007 8:20 am (#9 Total: 10)  

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--On June 7, 2007 7:30:46 AM -0700 "keith.kaiser27"
<keith.kaisergmail.com> wrote:

> wireless back-ups are slow. But the real question I have is this: Since I
> won't have a keyboard, monitor or mouse connected to the Mini, how can I
> configure it, check on progress of Retrospect etc. from my new MacBook
> Pro? Are there solutions that won't cost me the price of the Apple Remote
> Desktop software without having to carry an extra monitor and such
> downstairs now and then? --

As everyone else says, VNC is probably the best for LAN connections to the
Mac. If you ever anticipate needing to access the mini while outside the
house, and you have a firewall, I would recommend Logmein. I've been using
the free Logmein with several Windows XP computers for over a year now. The
recently public beta of a Mac client has been working really well for me.

<https://secure.logmein.com/products/mac/>
<http://db.tidbits.com/article/9027>




JolinWarren (apparently) - Jun 23, 2007 11:28 am (#10 Total: 10)  

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At 18:19 on 08-06-2007, Michael Krzyzek wrote:
> OSXVNC is the answer.
> <http://sourceforge.net/projects/osxvnc/>
>
> Allows you to remotely connect to the computer using any VNC
> client. Which brings me to...
>
> Chicken of the VNC
> <http://sourceforge.net/projects/cotvnc/>
>
> Which is Mac OS X VNC client.

I've been using this combination for a while to control a local
headless server. The two issues I have come across are:

  1. The remote computer's cursor doesn't display in the VNC window,
so I can't see whether it's an arrow or the spinning beachball. Can
make it difficult to use with an older, slower computer.

  2. Using CotVNC's 'Paste' command sometimes doesn't work properly --
all characters are pasted as lower-case (and I get ';' instead of ':'
for instance).

Has anyone found a solution to either of these problems? I've looked,
with no luck. It's a shame because the OSX-VNC/CotVNC combination is
excellent otherwise.

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