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Info-Mac CD 3rd Edition from 1993 for patent busting

[Engst, Adam]Adam Engst - 02:55pm Jan 26, 2007 PST

Hi folks,

I've been contacted by a lawyer who's trying to bust a patent that
revolves around putting an HTML file that contains a link out to the
Web on a CD. He think such a file might be in the NCSA Mosaic 1.0.1
distribution that's on the Info-Mac CD 3rd Edition from 1993. If
anyone has that CD or another one with an HTML from that era, let me
know and I'll put you in touch with the lawyer.

cheers... -Adam

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Matt Neuburg (apparently) - Jan 27, 2007 7:11 am (#1 Total: 7)  

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On or about 1/26/07 1:55 PM, thus spake "Adam C. Engst" <acetidbits.com>:

> Hi folks,
>
> I've been contacted by a lawyer who's trying to bust a patent that
> revolves around putting an HTML file that contains a link out to the
> Web on a CD. He think such a file might be in the NCSA Mosaic 1.0.1
> distribution that's on the Info-Mac CD 3rd Edition from 1993. If
> anyone has that CD or another one with an HTML from that era, let me
> know and I'll put you in touch with the lawyer.

Excuse me, but we've had this conversation already! A lawyer appeared about
two years ago and we went through this very same exercise (and I sent him
the stuff from the Info-Mac CD, which of course I have). So is this the same
guy? Is it some kind of bizarre scam? m.


[I'd forgotten all about that - I'll have to go back and see. I suspect that this is an entirely different situation, but I don't know. Those old CDs are a nice record of that time, and that's when a lot of prior art was being created. -Adam]


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dr (apparently) - Jan 28, 2007 9:40 pm (#2 Total: 7)  

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> [I'd forgotten all about that - I'll have to go back and see. I
> suspect that this is an entirely different situation, but I don't
> know. Those old CDs are a nice record of that time, and that's when a
> lot of prior art was being created. -Adam]
>
>

Yep. I'm amazed at what gets patented these days. Many times I see
something the I or others did back the in the 70s and 80s and now
someone patents it as a "great new idea". But my punched cards and 8"
floppies of source are long gone.

And if I had any idea then what was "patentable", I might be writing
this from a beach in Aruba. ;)

jwblist (apparently) - Jan 29, 2007 10:29 am (#3 Total: 7)  

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On Jan 28, 2007, at 8:40 PM, David Ross wrote:

> Yep. I'm amazed at what gets patented these days.

It's not just these days. National Cash Register (before the name
change to NCR) managed to patent gravity in the late 1950s.

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Matt Neuburg (apparently) - Jan 29, 2007 10:29 am (#4 Total: 7)  

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On or about 1/28/07 8:40 PM, thus spake "David Ross"
<drdavidrossconsultant.com>:

> And if I had any idea then what was "patentable", I might be writing
> this from a beach in Aruba. ;)

Not so fast - I have a patent on the idea of beaches in Aruba! m.

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gfong (apparently) - Jan 29, 2007 2:45 pm (#5 Total: 7)  

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At 7:29 PM +0200 1/29/07, johnbaxterlistsmac.com wrote:
>On Jan 28, 2007, at 8:40 PM, David Ross wrote:
>
>>Yep. I'm amazed at what gets patented these days.
>
>It's not just these days. National Cash Register (before the name
>change to NCR) managed to patent gravity in the late 1950s.

Hmm--sounds like an urban IP legend to me. I just Googled '"National
Cash Register" gravity patent' and I don't see anything there. Can
you provide a citation--or the patent text from the PTO?

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jwbaxter (apparently) - Jan 31, 2007 8:23 am (#6 Total: 7)  

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On Jan 29, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Geoffrey T. Fong wrote:
> At 7:29 PM +0200 1/29/07, johnbaxterlistsmac.com wrote:
>> On Jan 28, 2007, at 8:40 PM, David Ross wrote:
>>
>>> Yep. I'm amazed at what gets patented these days.
>>
>> It's not just these days. National Cash Register (before the name
>> change to NCR) managed to patent gravity in the late 1950s.
>
> Hmm--sounds like an urban IP legend to me. I just Googled '"National
> Cash Register" gravity patent' and I don't see anything there. Can
> you provide a citation--or the patent text from the PTO?

You're looking for patents related to NCR's Card Random Access Memory.

You take a deck of longish, narrowish magnetic cards. You place a
series of notches in the "top" edge (one of the narrow edges). The
notches encode the binary address of the card (0 to 255 in the
original; 0 to 384 in a later model). The form of the notches fits a
series of horizontal, independently rotatable shaped rods over which
the deck of 256 (384) cards slides, with the cards hanging down. You
also have a pair of gating rods which hold all the cards regardless
of selector rod position.

Below the deck of cards you have a spinning drum (hollow, with
perforated surface at significant negative air pressure when a card
is present). To access the desired card, driver software sets the
selection rods to that card's address, and moves the gating rods out
of the way. Gravity causes the addressed card to fall, and guides
cause it to wrap around the drum, whereupon you have what is
effectively a small drum memory device. To read another card you
repeat the process for the new card, with the additonal process of
releasing the negative pressure in the drum while opening a gate
which allows the card to fly off the drum and through guides to where
it reloads onto the rods (from the rods' ends, with a magic loader
plate to push it into place).

RCA, to work around NCR's patents when building their "RACE" (I don't
remember what that one stood for), effectively turned the mechanism
upside down, with the selection rods on the bottom (as I had
explained to me, but on its side seems to make more sense), and used
other means than gravity to move the selected card to the drum.

I contend that RCA's reaction justifies my claim that NCR patented
gravity. (At least to the extent that Paul Heckel patented the XOR
instruction as applied to non-destructively modifying pixels on a
screen.)

IBM's machine was the "Data Cell". Think of an old 45 RPM jukebox
with the records stored around the playing mechanism. Replace the
records with...magnetic cards. Pick the desired card out of the
collection with a complex manipulator arm and wrap it around the
drum. (I think they were put back using momentum, as in the other
devices.)

The IBM Data Cell was probably the best of the machines, except for
one small problem: they required about an hour of Customer Engineer
PM time per hour of operation to keep them tuned up. Without that,
you had disaster sooner or later, usually sooner.

I never saw a RACE. I have operated CRAM many times. One of CRAM's
problems was the "screamer" or double drop (two cards at once).
There wasn't room around the drum for two cards--too thin a space.
So the machine uttered a rather loud scream as the drop slowed to as
stop due to the drag caused by destroying the cards. (Destruction
was pretty complete.)

One of NCR's salesmen was escorting a prospect into our data center
when one of the CRAMs executed a screamer. He turned to his prospect
and said, "Now you see, the machine has detected a bad card and
instantly destroyed it."

(The same salesman, in Dayton this time, escorted a group of
prospects into one of NCR's *big* centers, only to find that--despite
the appointment for the tour--they had torn up most of the tiles in
the walkways and were busily recabling everything. He said to that
group, "The machines work fine. We can't get this d... floor to work.")

All of these beasts gave way to RAMAC's descendants, but it took a
while to get disk* costs below these (especially that of a fully-
loaded Data Cell, which was quite large in capacity).

We had a running joke around NCR in the later 1960s because of
alternate spellings of "disk" (or "disc" or the pseudo?-French
"disque"). In non-formal papers, we would write disckque, to cover
the bases. The computer industry as a whole had trouble with this
before settling on disk.

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kevinv (apparently) - Jan 31, 2007 8:31 am (#7 Total: 7)  

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--On January 29, 2007 11:45:06 PM +0200 "Geoffrey T. Fong"
<gfongwatarts.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:

> Hmm--sounds like an urban IP legend to me. I just Googled '"National
> Cash Register" gravity patent' and I don't see anything there. Can
> you provide a citation--or the patent text from the PTO?

Ahh, you can use Google better than that. Just search for the patent
directly (I still can't find it though).

<http://www.google.com/patents>

Even though the US Patent and Trade Office can only do text searches back
to 1975, Google took the images of all the other patents they have online
(back to 1790) and made them completely searchable, so you can do fairly
complete text searches now (assuming the method for producing the text
information was accurate.)


To find every patent issued between 1/1950 and 12/1959 that concerns
gravity, and has an assignee containing the word National:

<http://www.google.com/patents?q=gravity+inassignee%3Anational&btnG=Search+Patents&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=1950&as_maxm_is=12&as_maxy_is=1959>

of course they may have gotten the patent describing gravity without using
the word gravity, so every patent assigned to National Cash between 1940
and 1970:
<http://www.google.com/patents?lr=&q=inassignee%3A%22national+cash%22&btnG=Search+Patents&as_drrb_ap=b&as_minm_ap=1&as_miny_ap=1940&as_maxm_ap=12&as_maxy_ap=1970>





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